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[#Red] Red language group

DocKimbel
8-Mar-2013
[5982x5]
Ka, there's no file! type yet in Red, even if some parsing rules 
are already included in compiler's lexer. So the path error for %/x 
is currently correct.


However, adding file! is not a big deal and as you already have provided 
some file access functions, I think I'll add it for the 0.3.2 release.
Ka => Kaj.
FYI, the runtime lexer will parse #include as a word! currently, 
I could change that though, if it's a blocking issue for some scripts 
(but I don't want to spend too much energy in a tokenizer that will 
be replaced in the next weeks).
Multi-line strings: looking into it to see if it's easily doable.
BTW, the segfault above has been fixed.
Endo
8-Mar-2013
[5987x2]
Is it a known issue for console:
red>> print  4 * 4
16
red>> print 10 / 2
10
== / 2
*, +, - works, but / not.
DocKimbel
8-Mar-2013
[5989x3]
Good catch!
That looks like a regression introduced when I added refinement support.
Working on it...
Endo
8-Mar-2013
[5992x2]
I guess so.
Another small thing:
red>> print x * 5

console window closed immediately, so I cannot see the error message 
(but there is a message!)
x is unset by the way.
DocKimbel
8-Mar-2013
[5994x2]
I get here:

    red>> print x * 5

    *** Script error: action 13 not defined for type: 2
Translated in english: "you can't use * on unset! value"
Endo
8-Mar-2013
[5996]
I tried several times with the latest build. I open a fresh console 
window.
print x * y
** script error ... window closes..
DocKimbel
8-Mar-2013
[5997]
On Windows or UNIX?
Endo
8-Mar-2013
[5998]
oh I got it. I run the console by double click, not from dos prompt.
DocKimbel
8-Mar-2013
[5999]
:-)
Endo
8-Mar-2013
[6000]
sorry :)
DocKimbel
8-Mar-2013
[6001x3]
np
/ issue fixed.
Kaj, I won't merge dyn-lib-emitter yet, I will work on it as soon 
as I make the new release to add PIC support and start Mach-O and 
ELF implementations. I want all of them working before merging. I 
would probably also make a new release and bump the revision number 
for the merge.
Kaj
8-Mar-2013
[6004]
It's rather frustrating to have that functionality available for 
so long and yet not available
DocKimbel
8-Mar-2013
[6005]
It is available, just from an alternative branch. Nothing stops anyone 
from using it.
Kaj
8-Mar-2013
[6006x2]
It does, you don't get the functionality and fixes in master, and 
it's hard to install
It's fine that #include is parsed as a word! because that way it's 
skipped
DocKimbel
8-Mar-2013
[6008]
You can easily keep your forked dyn-lib-emitter up-to-date with just 
a `git rebase`.
Kaj
8-Mar-2013
[6009]
I know there is no file!; I don't need it now, I just need file literals 
to be skipped as well, so parsed as a word!, too, instead of bombing 
out
DocKimbel
8-Mar-2013
[6010]
or rather `git merge origin:master`
Kaj
8-Mar-2013
[6011]
I can't use Git
DocKimbel
8-Mar-2013
[6012]
I've fixed the runtime lexer to parse #include as issue!, shouldn't 
change anything for you.
Kaj
8-Mar-2013
[6013]
OK, that's even better
DocKimbel
8-Mar-2013
[6014]
I've almost implemented file! completly this morning, but am now 
trying to get the multi-line strings literals recognized by both 
compiler and runtime lexers. A bit harder that it seems at first 
look, but should be ready for tonight anyway.
Kaj
8-Mar-2013
[6015]
Great
Gregg
8-Mar-2013
[6016]
That's great news Doc! File! is a huge part of what I do with REBOL, 
so this is a great step.
DocKimbel
8-Mar-2013
[6017x3]
It is just file!, no port! nor port's actions support yet.
Though, you can use Kaj's READ and WRITE functions to access files 
from Red already.
Got multiline strings LOADing working, but now I need to find a way 
to efficiently (if possible) output the right delimiters:

    probe load {
        {
    	Hello
    	World!
        }
    }

    == ["
            Hello
            World!
    "]
BrianH
8-Mar-2013
[6020x2]
Wait, " strings are multilined too? How do you help the developer 
when multiline strings are an error?
By "help the developer" I mean trigger a syntax error, or log an 
error in your compiler, whatever. Errors help the developer.
DocKimbel
8-Mar-2013
[6022]
You missed the point, Red's MOLD is not yet able to correctly handle 
multiline strings, I'm right now working on adding that support, 
I'm just wondering how to do it the best (same discussion than in 
SO chat with Ladislav).
BrianH
8-Mar-2013
[6023]
OK, cool.
DocKimbel
8-Mar-2013
[6024]
I'm not satisfied by the Rebol solution of scanning the string each 
time a MOLD is done, I wonder if there's any better solution.
BrianH
8-Mar-2013
[6025]
That seems worth looking into.
Kaj
8-Mar-2013
[6026x2]
Doc, in Red/System, I am currently forced to use the names READ and 
WRITE-string, because WRITE is taken for the syscall. Would you consider 
renaming that, to sys-write or os-write for example? I would really 
like to use READ and WRITE in Red/System like in Red
Not sure if you have time to do that before the release, but it would 
be good to avoid creating legacy code
DocKimbel
8-Mar-2013
[6028x2]
I can do that, but I can't garantee you in the future that Red/System 
won't define its own READ / WRITE functions.
But for now it is unlikely, as I don't plan to add any file or network 
I/O support in Red/System itself. I do plan to use READ-IO and WRITE-IO 
though.
Gregg
8-Mar-2013
[6030]
Doc, understood that file! is just the datatype right now. It's still 
an important step. :-)
Kaj
8-Mar-2013
[6031]
Doc, certainly, I'll remove my READ and WRITE when you implement 
yours, like I did REDUCE and COMPOSE