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Kaj 16-Sep-2012 [1834] | Sure is :-) |
DocKimbel 16-Sep-2012 [1835] | Kaj, great! I'm looking forward to watch the videos of your presentation. :-) |
Henrik 16-Sep-2012 [1836] | I can also tell the number of commits has been high this weekend. |
DocKimbel 16-Sep-2012 [1837] | Weekend is not finished, expect some more. ;-) |
Gregg 16-Sep-2012 [1838] | Finally got around to cloning Red from github and doing the test system and Red compiles. I hadn't done so since changing machines, so it's great to have it all work the first time out. Great stuff Doc. |
DocKimbel 17-Sep-2012 [1839] | Thanks Gregg, a lot more to come in the next weeks! |
Henrik 17-Sep-2012 [1840] | is there a list of any-function!s implemented? |
DocKimbel 17-Sep-2012 [1841x4] | Not yet Henrik, I plan to make one of the planned/implemented one starting from the official first alpha of Red (at v0.3.0 release). Actually, I plan to do this in 2-3 weeks. |
*ones | |
Also, if someone is willing to make such a list right now and maintain it updated, that would be nice. | |
You just need to screen through %runtime/actions.reds and %runtime/natives.reds for changes. You could even make a short script to notify yourself when those files are modified using github's API. ;-) | |
Kaj 17-Sep-2012 [1845x3] | It's very problematic to use existing Red/System code in the Red #system directive, because it mustn't conflict with any of the internal implementation of Red |
Wrapping it in extra contexts doesn't help, because #define's and other things are global | |
Even if I wring the bindings around it now, it can break any moment when Red's implementation changes | |
Arnold 17-Sep-2012 [1848] | The website needs an introduction/instruction section and a downloadlink to a zipped version of Red souces, so people can skip the github stuff. |
NickA 17-Sep-2012 [1849] | +1 Arnold, although Github does provide a zip download link. |
Arnold 17-Sep-2012 [1850] | Right, that's new I guess. How many K's is this source now? Ah only 289 KB couldn't even blink my eyes while downloading it, so there will be no real bandwidth issue, I can host one download link on my site as well :-) |
Pekr 17-Sep-2012 [1851] | So - just link red-lang.org to the zip archive? Doesn't it have a static/non-changing link? |
Arnold 17-Sep-2012 [1852] | As I see it, it is available under https://github.com/dockimbel/Red/zipball/master |
DocKimbel 17-Sep-2012 [1853] | Kaj: I might make macros context-sensitive, but I don't see what more I can do. The point of #system is to write Red/System code within the 'red context, so naming should be done carefully to avoid conflicts. But with a few context wrappers, you should be able to solve that, no? |
Pekr 17-Sep-2012 [1854x3] | does it work like a preprocessor or what? Any example, of how is Red/System code inlined in the Red? |
why not do it like a Rebcode? make red-system ...., or make native! .... etc.? | |
# char should not be used for anything else but - preprocessor. And if it works like a preprocessor, we should stop talking about the ability to use inlined Red/System code anywhere in the Red source code ... :-) | |
DocKimbel 17-Sep-2012 [1857x2] | Arnold: Red source zip links are on github since the beginning. Maybe you can write such presentation/instruction section, submit it in a gist, put the link here and on the Red ML, discuss with others, and when it's ready send it to me so I can review and publish it. I need to advance on Red construction rapidly now, so the website is currently lower priority to me. |
Pekr: # are for compiler directives, they can be processed before or during compilation. make native! : see my posts before my v0.3.0 link post on friday in this group. | |
Pekr 17-Sep-2012 [1859] | Doc - maybe what does Arnold mean is just simple addition of Downloads section, and providing just few links for particular branches - https://github.com/dockimbel/Red/zipball/master ... but - we can live without it if other things are more important. But - there might be some truth to the fact, that not everybody is skilled to fight with Github "complexity". It was an obstacle for me too, although I found my way thru ... but only because of your help :-) |
Arnold 17-Sep-2012 [1860] | A what? A gist?? |
Pekr 17-Sep-2012 [1861] | :-) |
DocKimbel 17-Sep-2012 [1862x4] | Branches: no, they are volatile, and I certainly don't want to have to thing about updating them on the web site each time I add/remove one... |
*think | |
https://gist.github.com/ | |
Guys, remember the project current version number: v0.2.6, this is far from a v1.0.0, don't expect the website to look like if the product was finished. Maybe I should add an old-fashion "Under Construction" yellow gif banner on top of it? ;-) | |
Arnold 17-Sep-2012 [1866x3] | I'll finish my new CMS first, or I should say publishing system together with the scripts I put on rebol.org lately. Then I will be able to publish code and story easier within my pages. I don't want the massive make-doc-pro and makedoc2 isn't my flavor. The ancient version from Chris Ross-Gill looks good but has some choices I dislike. So I am struggling with it too make it easy to use and with it I want to be able to generate a pdf version using Gabriele's pdf-maker script. |
So 1 source and generate goodlooking webpages or pdf with it. | |
Then create some howto's and in time change from REBOL driven site to Red driven site. | |
Pekr 17-Sep-2012 [1869x2] | Doc - just concentrate upon Red. I thought that links to gihub archives for particular branches are static ... |
Hmm, now I might see, what others mean - the Github link is not apparent anywhere on the site. Maybe once you find some free time (hardly nowadays), here's what I suggest: - add Downloads link to the top menu - add just one sentence - you can download .zip archives of particular branches from link-to-github ... That's might help some users .... | |
DocKimbel 17-Sep-2012 [1871x2] | Links maybe, but branches are not, they are created, live and are removed. |
Download link: I'll see that once I process all the pending tickets for Kaj. | |
Pekr 17-Sep-2012 [1873x3] | just one link - to the github red site ... then user should orientiate himself there ... nowadays visiting Red-lang.org does not suggest clearly, where one could get Red to give it a try .... |
It is just there might be some rebollers, who are not fluent with github syncing tools, and we loose them for testing. Even Gregg admitted here, that he finally got it synced .... and Gregg is an experienced user :-) | |
But - sort your priorities yourself, no reason to get distracted .... | |
DocKimbel 17-Sep-2012 [1876] | I admit git is not an intuitive tool and it can be a PIA sometimes...but Github is the place to be and it's an invaluable tool for collaborative coding. |
Kaj 17-Sep-2012 [1877x2] | https://github.com/dockimbel/Red/downloads |
https://github.com/dockimbel/Red/tags | |
james_nak 17-Sep-2012 [1879] | I'm just glad I wasn't the only one who thought it was confusing. :-) Program on. Thanks Kaj. |
Kaj 17-Sep-2012 [1880x4] | In my Syllable build recipe you can see that you can download the current state of a branch the same way: |
http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/Red--current/ | |
I'm sure it's confusing by design, so that Doc can make a living selling single downloads ;-) | |
Kaj: I might make macros context-sensitive, but I don't see what more I can do. The point of #system is to write Red/System code within the 'red context, so naming should be done carefully to avoid conflicts. But with a few context wrappers, you should be able to solve that, no? | |
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