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or I just missed seeing where they are :(

Thanks for noting the blog update Petr. Nice to hear he's enjoying 
himself so much. Maybe we'll get him back into REBOL when he sees 
that he can build Roku stuff in Red.

Well, I wish him well too. OTOH he contradicts himself. He says, 
he is interested in Rebol, yet he is addicted in something completly 
else, not finding free time for rebolling. I hope you will meet him 
at Devcon, so that he gets excited about Rebol againt too :-)

I don't think it's contradictory. He focuses deeply on one thing 
at a time, and everything else is lucky to get any time at all. It's 
just that now, Roku is his focus.

OTOH, his work there may lead to new thoughts for REBOL and other 
languages targeted at small devices in a networked world.

It's a bit odd that his creation is so fantastic that he can't use 
it

Perhaps it was never designed to be use in memory constrained embedded 
devices

Perhaps it was never designed to be used?

I smell a troll

I smell excuses

I think that reason for not using R3 is not technology related. Carl 
even talked about it in the past, that - maybe one day. Imo the reason 
is two-three-fold - 1) RT's failure, to set up R3 in the wild, business 
wise 2) at the time Carl joined Roku, R3 was not open-sourced. 3) 
I also remember, that on R3 Chat, he asked about Gstreamer. So imo 
even a toolset problem - R3 lacking extensions to popular subsystems, 
and also risky situation - what if Carl would decide to leave the 
company? Who would work with his R3 code?

Agreed

Seems like I missed the chance to join the chat with Carl and you 
guys on StackOverflow, but I was in my dreams (or nightmare about 
autorelease). ;)

Well, you need to be prepared and have sufficient reputation on SO. 
 It took Carl nearly 45 minutes before he was able to speak!

It was somewhat frustrating for all of us waiting.

Any reason he doesn't wanna do such limited time chats here?

probably hasn't got altme installed

He said he would only use r3chat before .. but he says that the SO 
chat is very nice and usable from a browser

Yeah, I just remembered, he said something about being able to chat 
from any computer.

How hard can it be to create a terminal version of AltME? Well...

that is R3 chat

But is that usable with e.g. this world? If yes, then he could just 
use that and join a chat here, couldn't he?

not with this world

I think he's had world changing experience working at Roku :)

So
How hard can it be to create a terminal version of AltME? Well...

An event driven terminal??

No, an interface to this world, but from a text terminal. Like R3 
chat, but which actually work with AltME worlds.

If he did that, he could join this world from any computer.

perhaps he doesn't want to

fine.. so after 45min of waiting, what he said instead of a note, 
that SO chat is nice?

Well, I have mixed feelings ... Carl simply gave up on Rebol and 
its message imo ... felt strange: " I'm no longer in the mode of 
convincing the world about Rebol. I've learned a lot over the last 
couple years in the trenches." ..... later .... "So, I know really 
well now that Rebol is not for every developer.... but it would get 
more interest if R3+GUI was easy to download an get running on a 
variety of those devices on your list."

As for why he does not use R3 at Roku, he confirmed that it might 
be difficult to mix various IPs of several companies ....

@Pekr, do you think, that's the full story?

I don't know, what do you mean? Full story of what? Well, maybe I 
will say it arrogantly - but Carl faced the reality we all were facing 
in our companies - if your tool does not fit the company's toolset, 
you might be tolerated, if it is open sourced or free. I remember 
my issues with my boss, trying to convince him why should I buy /Command 
to get access to shell and ODBC, if other free tools can do it. And 
that was it - REBOL lived in isolation and Carl, joining Roku, found 
out about the outer world working under different conditions of reality 
:-)

So less of "mix various IPs".

I expect so, but that is just my speculation ....

I got the same feeling.

But you see, since Carl is the creator of REBOL and has access to 
the sources, the situation is different than with you and your boss.

I had the same argument as you with a boss of a company, I did free-lance 
work for. I was able to convince them to buy REBOL/Command though, 
because the develop time went down by a factor 10 or so.


A bit along the same type or argument, I convinced a business partner 
of that company to implement XML-RPC instead of using SOAP based 
calling method across the internet. It saved us months of development 
time, and the other company could implement XML-RPC feature within 
days.


Just keep on arguing, also from a cost viewpoint. Don't give in! 
:) It pays.

Geomol - my boss bought me an SDK, because he know, that I would 
not program in anything else. It was not so expensive after all, 
not for a company running systems like SAP :-) I personally bought 
SDKs, Several command versions (prior to SDK), Pro version, and one 
IOS for 2K USD .... but nowadays I can state, that sponsoring stuff 
on voluntary basis is even better. So I actually put more money in 
Red than into REBOL SDK for e.g. :-)

I didn't know you did coding

Some conversion bridges, simple stuff - pullind data from multiple 
systems, generating excel files (via html) for customers, website 
generation to intranet, automated notifications, etc.

Data migration from our system (used by cca 80 ppl) to SAP was all 
done/prepared by REBOL ....

I was so fast in pulling data, parsing CSVs, etc., that noone objected 
.....

Well, as i thik about it, it adheres to what just Geomol stated - 
fast prototyping, they could not beat me easily ....

Ah it's nice to read Carl's posts on stackoverflow, I hope he answers 
some questions time to time..

What is more interesting imo is Carl attending a devcon. I believe 
guys will discuss many ideas about further Rebol development ....

I have following strategy to discuss - Carl always liked to work 
on HW too - Amiga, Viscorp set-top-box. Now he is with Roku, gaining 
important experience. Now let's say Roku goes under, some investor 
appears, Carl buys AmigaIP and we will get first Rebol/Amiga device 
out :-)

You're fantasizing!

yes, running on coffee :-)