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nice work Jerry.

Nick, do you know under what licence and when?

REBOL open source? For Real this time?

I will believe it if I compiled it on my own system.

Very soon
 is how many years?

The conditions True and Not False must be met first? It is an interesting 
thought nevertheless what conditions are meant.

NickD has a close relationship with the investors

So finally good news :)

Should be this week

If so, I hope it will be possible to grind through the bug database, 
where development stopped.

I hope it's released with a BSD/MIT style license.

Doesn't sound like it

Very soon
 sounds very familiar, though

Kids in the car: "Are we there yet?" "Soon! Very soon!"

WOW, I'm so excited!!!!

We are not mistaking this post from last year: http://rebolweek.blogspot.nl/2011/07/news-from-robert-muench-about-r3.html
to be from this year?!? Then juli 23rd is soon.

No, this was an old effort for Saphirion to get access to the source 
code privately. It didn't work.

R3 was never opened for RMA.

Those are great sales figures, Jerry. and very well deserved.

Thanks, Peter. Maybe next REBOL dev-con will be held in Beijing, 
if I can sell more copies of my REBOL book.

NickA, it comes from Carl himself. Saphirion has received as separate 
and similar notice a few days ago.

What does it mean - open source, but with restrictions?

This is a really big deal for me.  Hopefully for others.

waiting and watching carefully ...

REBOL2 and/or R3?

It would only be R3. Spending time on opening R2 would probably cost 
Carl too much money on legal expenses.

Congratulations Jerry!
REBOL? open source? wow!

It's too early to get hopes up. The restrictions may be quite severe 
(NDA and such).

I expect it to have a clause, that you can't use e.g. Core.dll with 
own hostkit, etc., or any other product ...

we'll see, but at least if it allows R3 to progress, even if we need 
to purchase a separate license for locking down your own apps (like 
it was with the SDK, and may dual-licensed GPL tools out there) I 
don't think its a big issue.  at least we don't have to wait.

at least the platform can outlive a single person.   it can also 
be extended and experimented on in unexpected ways.

It's highly unlikely to fit the definition of open source, so I would 
advise anyone not to use that term

I agree with Kaj. Non disclosure agreements are not Open Source.

Only makes me want Red more

you can't have an NDA when the source is public.   this is not supposed 
to be a private release.

Yeah, public release .. .like Sun's Java :)

So, we've gone past speculating about the "conditions precedent to 
the release" and started making up worst case scenarios?

Understandable, I guess. I'm reserving judgement until I see a real 
license and some source. Cautiously optimistic :)

We're currently living in the worst case scenario

I see no difference between Java and Rebol. Both free to use on every 
machine the company builds a VM capable of processing scripts/prgrams.

For me, the important is to see the code, correct bugs and propose 
corrections and ideas.

And most important of all, knowing all rebol commands and refinements. 
Rebol miss a lot a very good documentation!

MaxV: Regarding "all commands and refinements" have a look at the 
REBOL dictionary (for R2):
http://www.rebol.com/docs/dictionary.html

The Word Browser from the Viewtop, and HELP are good too.

Similarly for R3 (although that is less comprehensive):
http://www.rebol.com/r3/docs/functions.html

For both, R2 and R3, you can use HELP on a console to get a listing 
of all global values of a certain type. So to see all functions, 
try
>> HELP function!

And if you want to type less, `? function!` is enough.

And `ANY-FUNCTION!` should be a typeset of all function-like types. 
Esp. native!, action! and op! are usefull for discovering "all available 
commands".

It's not so simple.

There a a lot of function undocumented. For example about VID a lot 
of documentation is missing, but VID is one the most important feature 
of Rebol. Similar for parse... and so on. Do you know that you can 
use "of" for radio buttons?