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NickA 29-Apr-2013 [489] | I'm making another $500 matching donation offer for the Saphirion R3 port, till the end of May 2013. Please help keep up the progress. |
Cyphre 30-Apr-2013 [490] | NickA: Many thanks for your support! |
Robert 5-May-2013 [491] | Cross-Post from Android group: New release of Rebol3 with graphics on Android: http://development.saphirion.com/experimental/r3-droid.apk Changes: -enable CTO and OTC functions -fix window offset -fix image! / loaders pixelformat color order -fixed close button action (RL_Init failed?) -improved WAIT -added clipping(slow atm but works) -added RESIZE/ROTATE events -improved JNI calls synchronization -added native keyboard input -updated built-in R3-GUI version Note this release is very early alpha so expect unstable situations or even crashes. Feel free to report bugs or any other feedback. This gets us again one step closer to be able to create Android apps with Rebol. Simple, small, fast. :-) |
MaxV 6-May-2013 [492] | Welcome back editor: http://rebol2.blogspot.it/2013/05/r3b-update-welcome-back-editor.html |
GrahamC 11-May-2013 [493] | Following in the footsteps of Red ( https://trello.com/board/red-programming-language/51387ada4e1ba9b86b001141 ) we have also started a Trello page for R3 ( https://trello.com/board/main-board/518dd9128fbdf0fc6a0004cf ) to track who is doing what ... Feel free to join Trello and let any of the current members know if you wish to be added to the project |
Kaj 12-May-2013 [494x3] | You can now write REBOL 3 extensions in Red. I've added a Red example to the existing Red/System example: http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-REBOL-3/dir?ci=tip&name=examples This currently still requires the dyn-lib-emitter branch of Red. |
Here's an example of a session: r3 >> import %hello-REBOL-3-extension.dll >> hello Hello Red REBOL extension! | |
You have to compile the example with the -dlib parameter to get an extension library | |
Kaj 13-May-2013 [497x2] | Here's a complete JNI binding from Red/System to Java: http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-Java/dir?ci=tip |
The example extension library can be compiled similarly to Doc's Java bridge | |
Kaj 15-May-2013 [499x4] | I finally got my OpenGL binding for Red/System in a form suitable for publishing: http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-OpenGL/dir?ci=tip Currently, the only available backend is for PicoGL, which does software rendering with the TinyGL library and shows it through SDL. |
I ported two of the PicoGL examples to Red/System: GL-spin and GL-textures. I've updated the binary downloads and added them, but they're currently mostly usable on Linux: http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/dir?ci=tip&name=Linux/RedSystem | |
PicoGL is included in Syllable Desktop, but there's a symbol loading issue that currently prevents the Red/System programs from loading the PicoGL library there | |
If you want to compile PicoGL, on Syllable Server or some other Linux system, you can use the Syllable build system. Here's the build recipe: http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/PicoGL/ | |
Kaj 19-May-2013 [503] | Not sure if this is useful for Android, but the JVM JNI interface can be loaded as a library from a normal executable: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/guides/jni/spec/invocation.html I've added a static JVM binding to my JNI binding for Red/System, so Java can be loaded and controlled from regular Red executables: http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-Java/dir?ci=tip |
Kaj 20-May-2013 [504] | I made an SDL backend for my Red/System OpenGL binding: http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-OpenGL/dir?ci=tip SDL with OpenGL is available on most platforms, and depending on your system, it supports hardware acceleration. So you can now choose between software rendering with the TinyGL engine through PicoGL, and hardware acceleration or software rendering with the Mesa3D engine through SDL. The two example programs can be compiled with either backend. |
Kaj 21-May-2013 [505] | I made an OS-Mesa backend on SDL for my Red/System OpenGL binding: http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-OpenGL/dir?ci=tip This does off-screen rendering in a memory buffer using the Mesa3D engine and then displays the result using SDL. Somehow I can't get it to work on Linux, but it's the first time I can use Red/System for OpenGL on Syllable. It circumvents two problems: the PicoGL library expects application functions that Red doesn't export, and Syllable's SDL port doesn't support the official OpenGL backend, so those routes both don't work. For most other targets than Syllable, the official SDL backend can be used. It's also the first time that I have used my Mesa3D port to Syllable. I couldn't display the output before, because there is no display driver for the current Mesa3D versions for Syllable, just the standard off-screen rendering. It works great, even though it does only software rendering. PicoGL is a bit faster, but Mesa3D is a much more modern and complete OpenGL implementation. |
Kaj 22-May-2013 [506x2] | I've added binary downloads for all Red platforms to the test repository of the two OpenGL examples for the Red/System binding: GL-spin and GL-textures. http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/dir?ci=tip Test reports welcome. All platforms should work in theory, but so far I have tested Syllable and Linux x86. You need to have SDL and OpenGL installed (in 32 bit versions). SDL is included in the repository for Windows, and OpenGL should be included in Windows. |
If you use the download.r from the repository (with Fossil), you will now get the source code for the OpenGL and Java JNI bindings, together with all my other bindings | |
Kaj 23-May-2013 [508] | I added a similar workaround for ELF libraries as in Doc's JNI bridge to my R3 and JNI bindings: http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-REBOL-3/dir?ci=tip http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-Java/dir?ci=tip R3 extensions written in Red/System and Red now work on ELF platforms such as Syllable and Linux. Should work on Android, too, at least when Doc has tested libraries there. |
Robert 24-May-2013 [509x4] | https://github.com/saphirion We are going to push some of our stuff to Github. This is intended so that peple from the community can use and enhance our stuff and submit pull-requests to us. Those pull-requests will be reviewed by the Saphirion team, and if accepted, the changes are merged into our main line. So, it will be included in our next offical release and published via our web-site. |
The first thing we start with will be a bunch of documentation files. All written in MDP format. These are the files, from which the documentations on our web-site are dynamically generated from. | |
The structure for documentation is: documentation/ = stuff that works on R2 and R3 documentation/r2 = stuff for R2 documentation/r3 = stuff for R3 | |
So, feel free to do whatevery you want with this stuff and help to improve it. | |
Kaj 24-May-2013 [513] | I fixed the calling convention for the OpenGL library that's included in Windows, so the Red/System binding works there now: http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-OpenGL/dir?ci=tip I also fixed the binary downloads GL-spin and GL-textures: http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/dir?ci=tip |
Ladislav 26-May-2013 [514] | Another "batch" of doc files committed. See e.g.: https://github.com/saphirion/documentation/blob/master/r3/whatsnew.mdp , which tries to compare R2 and R3, which was a popular request. |
Geomol 26-May-2013 [515] | New World alpha at https://github.com/Geomol/World Let me know in #World group or private, if there are problems. |
Pekr 26-May-2013 [516] | Carl's REBOL blok - Roku - http://www.rebol.com/article/0529.html |
Kaj 27-May-2013 [517] | I dropped the cURL dependency from my red-base distribution. This means that it now only depends on a few libraries that can be expected to be included in all platforms. This version of the Red interpreter can now be used on Windows as a single executable, without any extra libraries. The Windows version red-base.exe is here: http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/dir?ci=tip&name=MSDOS/Red It has versions of READ and WRITE for local file I/O, but no network I/O. It also has the other functionality from the C library, such as INPUT, ASK, GET-ENV, CALL, NOW and RANDOM, but for more functionality you still have to use red-core and red, and download the extra libraries for Windows. |
GrahamC 27-May-2013 [518] | Ok, Carl is now on Stackoverflow chat .. just need to upvote him somehow so he can actually talk! http://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/291/rebol-and-red |
Robert 31-May-2013 [519] | I'm happy to announce that we reached a major milestone and can release a bunch of new things. All the different versions have been merged into one code base which makes things easier for us. This was possible because the new 'retargetable' graphics subsystem was finished. This allows us to port R3 to other platforms much easier. Next target Linux. The release in detail: R3-GUI: Quite a lot of fixes and enhancements. Thanks for all the feedback. The main milestone we achieved was to switch to a resolution independent sizing system. This will scale your app widgets to look the same on different display densities. It's a must have for mobile apps. Next for R3-GUI is to create a simple mobile style set. Fruther, we are going to push the source code to GitHub. We need to setup a bridge to our internal SVN repository, so expect some back and forth on Github before we are stable. Anway feel free to help making R3-GUI better and better. Android: This release is now mostly the same as the windows release. So, yes, it's now possible to do R3-GUI apps on Android. I'm going to try to run Treemapper on it. Type DEMO to see the new R3-GUI version and widget scaling feature. Post as much screenshots / pictures of your phone as you can :-) R3/Saphir: New version for windows with bug-fixes are released as well. Please see the change-log on our web-site for details. Thanks to all the team for the great work! I really think we are close to have a very good and stable base with R3 and R3-GUI. Looking forward to see more and more people joining and becoming part of it. Links: http://development.saphirion.com (Change Logs, Downloads, etc.) http://development.saphirion.com/experimental (Android) https://github.com/organizations/saphirion (Documentations) |
GiuseppeC 31-May-2013 [520] | Hi, I paste the link: https://github.com/organizations/saphirionin Firefox and the main page of GitHub open. I see no Saphirion repository. |
Andreas 31-May-2013 [521] | Correct Link: https://github.com/saphirion |
Robert 1-Jun-2013 [522] | R3/Saphir: Core now builds again on OSX. |
Robert 2-Jun-2013 [523x2] | You can find it at: http://development.saphirion.com/experimental |
R3/Saphir OSX Version updated, should now work on OSX from 10.4 on. | |
Robert 4-Jun-2013 [525] | R3/Saphir OSX Version updated, should now have working HTTPS scheme. |
Ladislav 4-Jun-2013 [526] | Announcing changes to Saphirion doc: Function arity documentation and Argument passing styles documentation now adjusted to document both R2 and R3 versions. See https://github.com/saphirion/documentation |
Arnold 7-Jun-2013 [527] | I set up a Youtube account under the name of REBOL Coder using the gmail account [RedREBOLs-:-gmail-:-com]. I added a small number of youtube Red presentations. http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4UikCida6olTyowsi5JyyA As it is an extra channel I think about sharing this account with interested from the community. |
NickA 10-Jun-2013 [528] | Robert, thank you for the improvements and progress with Android (sorry, I've been away from AltMe for a while) |
Arie 10-Jun-2013 [529] | @Arnold What about http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL595BBBBC4CD91581 ? |
Gerard 11-Jun-2013 [530] | What a bad choice of color for your name - I just can't read it ... is it from Aries ? |
Robert 12-Jun-2013 [531x2] | I'm happy to announce that we made good progress regarding the Android R3 encapper. A major breakthru in the multiple-app generation has been made (thanks to Andreas for ELF format hints). Now it is possible to create encapped apps with unique app-id. Such apps can be recognized properly by the Android OS and also accepted on the Google Play market. The cool thing with this approach is one really don't need anything more than the Android encapper to produce the apk file. No need for android NDK, SDK or even JAVA to be installed ;-) There are some glitches we are going to fix and than the encapper is ready for production. |
For an example see http://development.saphirion.com/experimental/encap-demo.apk | |
GrahamC 14-Jun-2013 [533] | Makedoc for Rebol3 from Chris http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/10001554#10001554 |
Rebolek 15-Jun-2013 [534] | My Redis scheme was updated heavily and I hope it's ready for use by others. You can find it here: https://github.com/rebolek/prot-redis |
Andreas 18-Jun-2013 [535] | I wrote a quick & minimal example illustrating how to use R3-GUI together with R3's async HTTP: https://gist.github.com/earl/447e4e9510a68c308f6b |
Kaj 19-Jun-2013 [536x2] | I changed the Red 0MQ interface to optimise the memory use during receiving of messages: http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-ZeroMQ-binding/info/2a1541af57 SEND and RECEIVE have been renamed to send-string and receive-string, because they currently handle messages as UTF-8 text. When Red gets a binary! type, versions for binary messages will be added, and there will probably be type agnostic SEND and RECEIVE wrappers again. Previously, you used message: receive socket to receive a string message. Now you pass a premade string! (similar to call/output in R2): message: "" receive-string socket message This means that you can choose between creating new strings for each message (with COPY) or reusing the same string. In the latter case, some Red/System code in receive-string makes sure that no extra Red memory is used, and that all used system and 0MQ memory is freed again. By optimising memory use, this also improves performance of message throughput. |
This work will be paid for by Respectech as part of an assignment I'm doing for them. As far as we know, this is the first commercial assignment done with Red. I'm implementing a network server that needs to run for long periods and handle relatively large numbers of requests. This is tricky because Red has no garbage collector yet, and the memory allocator doesn't handle large series yet. We have been testing the memory system to scale it, and Doc has fixed an allocator bug so that series can now be twice as large. I've also found and reported seven other bugs so far. The results are very encouraging. The memory system is reliable in my stress testing. It can use all the memory available in a machine for the contents of series. In the default configuration, one series can have a maximum content of 2 MB, or 131070 values for a block!. This can be enlarged, basically at will, by compiling your program with customised allocator settings. To reduce the amount of memory that currently cannot be reclaimed by garbage collection, I am reducing the number of series generated during the handling of each server request. This can be done within the same Red program, because low level optimised Red/System code can be inserted anywhere. I am down to only a few hundred bytes per handled request, and the memory budget of the server is a GB, so the Red 0MQ server will be able to handle several million requests. | |
Kaj 20-Jun-2013 [538] | For relevant platforms, I added extra versions of my Red interpreter console distributions to my downloads: http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/dir?ci=tip They provide versions that include my 0MQ binding for messaging. Previous interpreter distributions didn't include it, because on most platforms, you have to install the 0MQ library as an extra. Further, people may need 0MQ with the GTK+ GUI binding, or without it on servers and embedded systems. So there are two new distributions in each platform folder: */Red/red-core-message */Red/red-message red-core-message is meant for servers and includes bindings for the C library, cURL, SQLite and 0MQ. In addition, red-message also includes the GTK binding and is meant for GUI programs. For Windows, most of these interpreters are in the MSDOS/Red/ folder, but I also added a version that is meant to start scripts for GUI programs, so it doesn't open an extra console window: Windows/Red/red-message.exe |
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