World: r3wp

Not many floats are used in GTK, but I need them for layout alignment

Ok, I see now what they are used for. :-) Are the extra brackets 
around some button titles a special convention you're using?

Hmm, no floats in Red/System will have to come anyway, no? :-)

eh, minus "no" in above sentence :-)

Normally a button needs more than one parameter, so it would always 
have brackets. But here they're only used as examples, so they only 
have a display text and the brackets can be left out

I left them in for a while to make the separation with the optionally 
following layout parameters clearer, but in the latest version I 
reconsidered

Anyone knows where to find exhaustive lists of invalid UTF-8 encoding 
ranges?

I am calculating them by hand, so I might miss some.

C0, C1, F5-FF must never occur in UTF-8.

80-BF are continuation bytes.

Is that what you are after?

Yes, but I was searching for an exhaustive list of rules.

RFC3629 has a (non-normative) ABNF, if I remember correctly.

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3629#section-4s

Here are the parse rules I came up with so far: https://gist.github.com/1278718

I think I am missing some overlong combinations.

I am also unsure of the valid range of the 2nd byte in the four-bytes 
encoding.

one-byte-codepoint: charset [#"^(00)" - #"^(7F)]

Right, fixing that.

tail-bytes: charset [#"^(80)" - #"^(BF)]

two-byte-codepoint: reduce [charset [#"^(C2)" - #"^(DF)] tail-bytes]

tail-bytes == cont-byte

three-byte-codepoint: reduce [
  #"^(E0)" charset [#"^(A0)" - #"^(BF)] cont-byte
| charset [#"^(E1)" - #"^(EC)"] 2 cont-byte
| #"^(ED)" charset [#"^(80)" - #"^(9F)] cont-byte
| charset [#"^(EE)" - #"^(EF)"] 2 cont-byte 
]

four-byte-codepoint: reduce [
  #"^(F0)" charset [#"^(90)" - #"^(BF)] 2 cont-byte
| charset [#"^(F1)" - #"^(F3)"] 3 cont-byte
| #"^(F4)" charset [#"^(80)" - #"^(8F)] 2 cont-byte
]

Thanks, I see that everything I need is in http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3629#section-4

BrianH: what was the CureCode ticket where you've summed up the word! 
Unicode parsing rules?

http://issue.cc/r3/1302for the ASCII range in R3. The R3 parser 
tends to be excessively forgiving outside the ASCII range, accepting 
too much, though I haven't done the thorough test.

You might also consider looking at the source of INVALID-UTF? in 
R2, which is MIT licensed from R2/Forward.

It would still be a good idea to review the Unicode standard to determine 
which of the characters should be treated as spaces, but that would 
still be a problem for R3 because all of the delimiters it currently 
supports are one byte in UTF-8 for efficiency. If other delimiters 
are supported, R3's parser will be much slower.

Thanks. For whitespaces, I have already taken higher Unicode codepoints 
into account (from this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_character).

Completely forgot about INVALID-UTF? :)

After having a quick glance at it, at least for utf8 it's quite basic 
and does not take any of the above overlong combinations into account.

The policy on overlong combinations was set by R3, where there isn't 
as much need to flag them. Overlong combinations are a problem in 
UTF-8 for code that works on the binary encoding directly, instead 
of translating to Unicode first. The only function in R3 that operates 
that way is TRANSCODE, so as long as it doesn't choke on overlong 
combinations there is no problem with them being allowed. It might 
be good to add a /strict option to INVALID-UTF? though to make it 
check for them.

Speaking of which, I don't think anyone has tried overlong combinations 
with TRANSCODE yet. We should look into that.

(I mean, aside from Carl possible doing so internally.)

As long as they are interpreted exactly the same as the short encoding 
of the value, no problems.

(Let's switch to !REBOL3.)

Implemented GTK table layouts

For example:

table [2 2  5 5
	button "X"  button "O"
	button "O"  button "X"
]

Kaj, I love what you are doing. Just curious if you looked at QT, 
it seems to be avail on more platforms - phone wise- which is a major 
plus...
Is it more difficult to impliment?

Thanks. As it happens, I looked into binding Qt last week

I never liked either GTK or Qt. The reason I'm binding one anyway 
is that we want native platform user interfaces for Red. Linux and 
BSD don't have a native interface, but if you have to appoint one, 
you have to appoint two: GTK and Qt

The reason I chose GTK is that it's written in C, which makes it 
natural to bind to Red/System. Almost all other open source GUI toolkits, 
including Qt, are written in C++, which is much more problematic 
to bind

Basically, to bind a C++ library, you have to write two bindings: 
one from C++ to C, and then one from C to your target language. This 
is because only C++ knows what C++ objects mean, and C++ claims that 
its object classes are a program's interface

So you can write a binding from Red/System to a C library purely 
in Red/System, while a C++ binding would also require writing an 
extra bridge in C++. Even after this initial hurdle, apart from the 
maintenance, a remaining problem would be that the C++ bridge needs 
a traditional development environment, so the wonderful abitlity 
of Red to crosscompile to anything would be negated for a large part. 
Basically the same problem that REBOL 3 extensions have

Intrepid readers will note that one of the libraries I bind, 0MQ, 
is written in C++. However, the 0MQ designers wisely decided to define 
the interface in C, so that all languages can bind to it

For generic libraries, binding tools exist, such as SWIG and SIP. 
Unfortunately, they don't solve the problem but only assist a little, 
and the result is very bloated

Since a few years, Qt and KDE use a new tool: Smoke. It's more automated, 
so it looks like it can generate a C interface without writing C++ 
yourself. However, the cross-compilation problem still exists. Because 
the tool is so generic, the bindings it generates are also quite 
bloated and probably otherwise inefficient. In any case, it's just 
the first step for a Red binding, because I put abstraction layers 
over my bindings that are much more REBOL like

Another consideration for me is that GTK is more fragmented, but 
that also makes it more modular than Qt. From the viewpoint of Syllable, 
it makes it harder to integrate completely, but easier to integrate 
just some selected pieces, which is what I am after

While it's true that Qt is more portable than GTK, I'm not sure it's 
significant. The only phone platform I know that uses it is Meego, 
but Nokia has sidetracked that. Samsung's own phone platform in Bada, 
for example, uses GTK. There's also recent DirectFB support in GTK, 
while the Qt port to DirectFB is obsolete