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Kaj 12-Dec-2011 [2634] | It would depend on the relative speeds of the CPU and the FPU |
Ashley 14-Dec-2011 [2635] | Ran code like the following against a 600MB file of 500,000+ lines: file: read/lines %log.csv foreach line file [ remove/part line 1000 ] and was surprised that the foreach loop was near instantaneous (I'd assumed 500,000+ removes would at least take a second or two). I'm not complaining, just curious. ;) |
Geomol 14-Dec-2011 [2636] | Does it work? Or do you hit a 4GB boundary with some internal structures, so there is an error, you don't get out? |
Ashley 14-Dec-2011 [2637] | It certainly worked (file size was 400MB not 600MB). |
BrianH 14-Dec-2011 [2638] | R2 or R3? R3 can do removes from the head of the string as fast as it can from the tail - near instantaneously. I don't think that this is true for R2. |
Ashley 15-Dec-2011 [2639] | R2. |
Endo 15-Dec-2011 [2640] | I do something similar, generating 10'000 lines and writing to a file takes 5-6 seconds to complete on my Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 (2.8 Ghz) 3GB RAM. 500'000 lines a bit too much but you read the whole file into memory so it is possible. Your PC is a good one as well I think. |
Ashley 16-Dec-2011 [2641] | iCore 7 with 8GB RAM and a 256GB SSD ... work PC. |
Endo 16-Dec-2011 [2642] | which means 10 times better than mine :) its normal to have that performance with 8GB RAM + SSD I think. file & block operations & foreach is fast on R2 in my experience. |
GrahamC 16-Dec-2011 [2643] | Since Carl seems to have abandoned Rebol ...I wonder if this triggers the release of the source code held in escrow? |
Sunanda 16-Dec-2011 [2644] | That would depend on what the escrow license says. Unless anyone here has signed a REBOL escrow source license, all we have is a vague description: http://www.rebol.com/faq.html#058 |
GrahamC 16-Dec-2011 [2645] | I wonder if Reichart knows ... Qtask depends on Rebol |
PeterWood 17-Dec-2011 [2646] | He may well know but I think that it is wishful thinking that the source may be released under an escrow agreement just because Carl has been quiet for a while. |
Henrik 17-Dec-2011 [2647] | Since Carl seems to have abandoned Rebol - there is no evidence of that. A few weeks ago, it was stated here that Carl was working on R3 again. |
Gabriele 17-Dec-2011 [2648] | Qtask does not depend on any changes being made to REBOL. |
Henrik 17-Dec-2011 [2649x2] | YY is a block of 4 decimals, which should be containing the same value, but it seems they are not the same to UNIQUE: == [5.0 5.0 5.0 5.0] ; derived from a calculation >> yy/1 == yy/2 == true >> yy/1 == yy/3 == true >> yy/1 == yy/4 == true >> unique yy == [5.0 5.0] ; huh? >> zz: [5.0 5.0 5.0 5.0] ; typed directly in >> unique zz == [5.0] |
Seems it's already been repported: http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/rambo.r?id=4093& | |
Geomol 17-Dec-2011 [2651] | It's internal rounding in REBOL, is my guess. You can see it with R3: >> to decimal! #{4013 FFFF FFFF FFFF} == 5.0 >> to decimal! #{4014 0000 0000 0000} == 5.0 >> to decimal! #{4014 0000 0000 0001} == 5.0 So decimals may look the same, even if they're not. |
Henrik 17-Dec-2011 [2652] | it works in R3. |
Geomol 17-Dec-2011 [2653x2] | In R3, you can try do a >to binary!< on the results from the calculation and see the difference. |
In R2, you can do some rounding before calling unique. | |
Ladislav 17-Dec-2011 [2655x2] | In R3 also: >> print mold/all to decimal! #{4013 FFFF FFFF FFFF} 4.9999999999999991 >> print mold/all to decimal! #{4014 0000 0000 0000} 5.0 >> print mold/all to decimal! #{4014 0000 0000 0001} 5.0000000000000009 |
see http://issue.cc/r3/1634 | |
amacleod 18-Dec-2011 [2657] | I need to extract the data from an image file so it does not include the "64#" header and I just have the 64 bit encoding: 64#{ /9j/4faARXhpZgAATU0AKgAAAAgABwEPAAIAAAAESFRDAAEQAAIAAAAIAAAAYgEa AAUAAAABAAAAagEbAAUAAAABAAAAcgEoAAMAAAABAAIAAAITAAMAAAABAAEAAIdp is3eIoxUdG7n/9k= } I just wnat the stuff between the quotes but as its a binary I can't seem to parse it or extract it with other methods like a text file. |
Geomol 18-Dec-2011 [2658x2] | x: mold 64#{ /9j/4faARXhpZgAATU0AKgAAAAgABwEPAAIAAAAESFRDAAEQAAIAAAAIAAAAYgEa AAUAAAABAAAAagEbAAUAAAABAAAAcgEoAAMAAAABAAIAAAITAAMAAAABAAEAAIdp is3eIoxUdG7n/9k= } copy/part skip x 3 -5 + length? x |
Notice the molded version is twice as large as the original binary. | |
Gabriele 18-Dec-2011 [2660] | ENBASE |
amacleod 18-Dec-2011 [2661] | enbase! Easy! That's what I'm looking for thanks, guys. |
Geomol 18-Dec-2011 [2662] | That wasn't clear, but good you solved your problem. |
Geomol 19-Dec-2011 [2663] | The R2 dictionary for DETAB say, the string is modified, but it isn't. Also only the first tab before the first non-space character is replaced by 4 spaces, the rest with 1: >> s: "^-abc^-def" == "^-abc^-def" >> detab s == " abc def" >> s == "^-abc^-def" Has this always been this way? Doc: http://www.rebol.com/docs/words/wdetab.html |
Oldes 19-Dec-2011 [2664x4] | == "^-ab^-def" >> detab s == " ab def" |
The behaviour is correct (it's not just replace/all). The dictionary must be bad as it does not modify. | |
The doc above is not so bad, but it's true, that in R3 it's really marked as: (Modifies) | |
But I'm not sure there is anybody left who can fix it. | |
Geomol 19-Dec-2011 [2668x2] | Is there a reason for this? >> shift 1 32 == 1 |
Ah, probably just because 32 is being // 32, as can be seen with this: >> shift 2 32 == 2 >> shift 2 33 == 1 | |
Endo 19-Dec-2011 [2670x2] | Thats right I think: >> shift 257 32 == 257 |
>> shift 257 32000 == 257 | |
Geomol 19-Dec-2011 [2672] | which is same result as: >> shift 257 32000 // 32 == 257 |
Endo 19-Dec-2011 [2673x3] | Yes |
>> shift 257 32001 == 128 >> shift 257 1 == 128 | |
at first glance a bit confusing, but actually it's ok. >> shift 257 65 == 128 | |
Geomol 19-Dec-2011 [2676x3] | I see potential application malfunction. It's ok to mod by 32 for a rotate function, as it gives same result, but not a shift, I think. |
Think what will happen, if the application move from 32-bit to 64-bit. | |
And the mod by 32 for a rotate is only ok on a 32-bit system, on a 64-bit it's mod by 64. And only for integers, not binaries etc. | |
Endo 19-Dec-2011 [2679x2] | That's right, but only if your "interpreter" supports 64 bit integers. |
As for R2, its no problem, but for others it is. | |
Geomol 19-Dec-2011 [2681x2] | Hm, implementing SHIFT in World gives me second thought. The C operators >> and << works as doing internal modulus. So checking for number of shift will hit on performance. So it's probably better to just go with it and let it be up to the user to eventually check for this. |
What's the idea with SHIFTing a binary! ? >> b: #{80402010} == #{80402010} >> shift b 2 == #{20100804} >> shift b 2 == #{08040201} ; so far so good >> shift b 2 == #{02010000} ; but now we're loosing information >> shift b 2 == #{00000000} So SHIFT of a binary! just shift each byte and don't carry bits over to the next. What is this used for? | |
Endo 20-Dec-2011 [2683] | Its no sense SHIFTing bytes in binary, we can simply use series functions, append #{00}, copy/part etc. Shifting bits in binary could be more useful for graphics operations (not so sure) |
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