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BrianH 13-Oct-2011 [2479] | I wasn't joking about the "a valuable debugging aid" comment. That's a deal-killer for me. |
Henrik 16-Oct-2011 [2480] | What exactly does this mean: >> a: make bitset! [#"-" - #"+"] ** Script Error: Out of range or past end ** Near: a: make bitset! [#"-" - #"+"] |
GrahamC 16-Oct-2011 [2481] | >> make bitset! [ #"+" - #"-" ] == make bitset! #{ 0000000000380000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 } |
Sunanda 16-Oct-2011 [2482] | bitset likes its args in ascending order (but Graham beat me to it) |
Henrik 16-Oct-2011 [2483] | that seems a bit impractical, but I guess it could complicate the function to have both ways. |
james_nak 28-Oct-2011 [2484] | Is there a simple way to transform a block of blocks into a single block and maintain their types? As follows: a: [ [1] [2] [3] ] Changing that to b: [ 1 2 3 ] You know, outside of looping thru each value and building a new block (which I don't mind doing but if there was some simple way) |
BrianH 28-Oct-2011 [2485x6] | Only one level, or all the way? |
Also, in-place or as a copy? | |
>> a: [[1][2][3][[4]]] == [[1] [2] [3] [[4]]] One level: >> b: copy a while [not tail? b] [either block? first b [b: change b first b] [++ b]] b: head b == [1 2 3 [4]] All levels (not cyclic reference safe): >> b: copy a while [not tail? b] [either block? first b [change b first b] [++ b]] b: head b == [1 2 3 4] | |
ChristianE's ODBC extension for R3 includes a native FLATTEN command, but I haven't tested whether or not it manages memory properly, and it doesn't help R2, or R3 not on Windows. | |
Using R3 PARSE: >> b: copy a parse b [any [change [set x block!] x | skip]] b == [1 2 3 [4]] >> b: copy a parse b [while [and change [set x block!] x | skip]] b == [1 2 3 4] | |
Or simpler: >> parse copy a [return while [change [set x block!] x | skip]] == [1 2 3 [4]] >> parse copy a [return while [and change [set x block!] x | skip]] == [1 2 3 4] | |
Sunanda 28-Oct-2011 [2491] | For some types of data (not embedded objects) to-block form [ .... ] |
Andreas 28-Oct-2011 [2492] | in-place: forall a [change a first a] copying: collect [foreach x a [keep x]] |
BrianH 28-Oct-2011 [2493] | Andreas, FORALL won't work here: >> a: [[1] [2] [3 [4]] [[5]]] forall a [change a first a] a == [1 2 3 4] If it's shallow, it should be [1 2 3 [4] [5]], if deep it should be [1 2 3 4 5]. |
Andreas 28-Oct-2011 [2494] | Sure, neither will it work in n other arbitrarily constructed border cases :) |
BrianH 28-Oct-2011 [2495] | The PARSE and WHILE versions above will work in all cases where you don't run out of memory, and for the deep versions when there are no cyclic references. >> parse [[1] [2] [3 [4]] [[5]]] [return while [change [set x block!] x | skip]] == [1 2 3 [4] [5]] >> parse [[1] [2] [3 [4]] [[5]]] [return while [and change [set x block!] x | skip]] == [1 2 3 4 5] |
Andreas 28-Oct-2011 [2496] | For the common flatten use-case of regular one-level nested blocks, it's fine. If that's not what you need, no warranties :) |
BrianH 28-Oct-2011 [2497x2] | The FORALL version won't work if the embedded blocks have more than one element in them. |
That is the common case :) | |
Andreas 28-Oct-2011 [2499] | True. |
BrianH 28-Oct-2011 [2500x3] | It's a little better if you do this, but still not quite right: >> a: [[1] 2 [[3] [4]] [[5]]] forall a [change/part a first a 1] a == [1 2 [3] 4 [5]] ; should be [1 2 [3] [4] [5]] |
The WHILE trick above needs the same CHANGE/part (whoops): >> b: [[1] 2 [[3] [4]] [[5]]] while [not tail? b] [either block? first b [b: change/part b first b 1] [++ b]] b: head b == [1 2 [3] [4] [5]] >> b: [[1] 2 [[3] [4]] [[5]]] while [not tail? b] [either block? first b [change/part b first b 1] [++ b]] b: head b == [1 2 3 4 5] | |
Overall, I have to say I prefer the R3 PARSE version. | |
james_nak 28-Oct-2011 [2503] | Gentlemen, thank you. I will study your methods. It is just one level and it was to handle indexes I was receiving from a mysql db that were returned as [ [1] [2][ 3]]. Again thank you. You guys sure know your stuff! |
BrianH 28-Oct-2011 [2504] | If you are copying from fixed records (as from DB results), Andreas's COLLECT version will use the least memory because you can preallocate: >> a: [[1 2] [3 4] [5 6]] head collect/into [foreach x a [keep x]] make block! 2 * length? a == [1 2 3 4 5 6] |
james_nak 28-Oct-2011 [2505] | Brian, that reminds me. The ++ is something I have never seen before and it doesn't show up in the "dictionary" which is what I normally depend on for info. Is there some doc or source of info you recommend? Thanks. |
BrianH 28-Oct-2011 [2506] | HELP ++, or SOURCE ++ on R2. |
james_nak 28-Oct-2011 [2507x3] | I mean even knowing that it exists. |
collect ....Another one that is not in the dictionary | |
Interesting. | |
BrianH 28-Oct-2011 [2510] | Right, I forgot about that. There's a -- too, and other new functions like FIRST+ and TAKE. I tend to just do WORDS-OF lib in R3 and go from there. Most of the new functions in R2 in the last several years are backports from R3. |
james_nak 28-Oct-2011 [2511x2] | Ah, that makes sense. I was just looking at R3 Collect. |
Very cool thanks. | |
BrianH 28-Oct-2011 [2513x2] | R2's COLLECT is pretty similar. The backports try to be as compatible with R3 as is practical in R2, though is a couple cases they are a bit ahead of their R3 versions, where there are some tickets that haven't gone through yet. In particular ENLINE/with, DELINE block!, and MAP-EACH/into come to mind. |
is -> in | |
Geomol 29-Oct-2011 [2515] | Yet an alternative: >> load form [[1][2][3]] == [1 2 3] |
Ladislav 30-Oct-2011 [2516] | Please, do not publish such solutions, they are not recommended in the documentation |
Geomol 30-Oct-2011 [2517] | ? Are you joking? |
Ladislav 30-Oct-2011 [2518] | No, that is serious |
Geomol 30-Oct-2011 [2519] | Will you please point to that documentation? |
Ladislav 30-Oct-2011 [2520] | Do not forget, that you destroy such properties as binding, etc. |
Geomol 30-Oct-2011 [2521] | My solution works perfectly in this example, and don't tell me what to do or not to do. |
Ladislav 30-Oct-2011 [2522x4] | OK, do whatever you want. I am changin my recommendation to: readers of the above, please do not use such code. Other affected datatypes are: - decimals, functions, objects, .... |
(and my list isn't complete) | |
As for the documentation, i.e. where exactly it is mentioned that this approach is not recommeded. Unfortunately, I forgot, where exactly it was. Nevertheless, the reasons are clear, I hope. | |
In general, Carl wrote REBOL to be its own metalanguage, especially to be able to manipulate blocks and their contents accurately. Solutions like the above are necessary only in languages, that do not have such abilities. | |
Geomol 30-Oct-2011 [2526] | Why shouldn't decimals work? >> b: load form [[1.5] [2.5]] == [1.5 2.5] >> type? b/1 == decimal! |
Ladislav 30-Oct-2011 [2527] | another example, which does not work: type? load form [1] ; == integer! (i.e. not block!) |
Sunanda 30-Oct-2011 [2528] | I suggested the same approach, geomol. I added a caveat that it works for some datatypes, not others. It is particularly bad for objects: load form reduce [make object! [a: 1]] So, a useful approach if we are mindful of its limitations. |
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