World: r3wp

The name is already outdated, though :-)

Doc will try to be there to report on Red progress

Graham, if you were here, you would have felt it was the winter edition 
;-)

Looks like Rebol is undergoing a renaissance via open source forks

I hope so

Added the Red link to the site

Karl has published the 3D Boron demo, including OpenGL Boron builds 
for Linux and OS X:

http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/urlan/wiki/BoronFiles

How do you run the demos?

Kaj - you could adapt RebCon, because official REBOL conferences 
are no more, so .....

so?

so the name is free to use, does not contain REBOL name (trademark), 
so free to use, and "REB" indicates it is rebol related ...

Pekr, I would expect you to pick a more decent and constructive approach. 
How did you find out you had the right to decide? Did you ask anybody?

Ladislav - what are you talking about here? What is decent and constructive 
about the conference name? Are we going to be censored here, or what? 
This is really starting to be crazy. Look at the Amiga - there is 
AmigaOS, Aros, MorphOS, UAE, there was Amithlon .... and I expect 
ppl meeting at various accassions, to share the spirit of the Amiga, 
although there were some infights between the groups.


Now to REBOL. Last DevCon (Italian Devcon was not even called RebCon 
- http://www.colellachiara.com/devcon05/) was held in 2007 in Paris? 
Then there was one online meeting coordinated by Nick (?), and there 
was an attempt to organise DevCon in Prague, in two consecutive years. 
Carl decided not to attend, from various reasons, so we decided not 
to push the idea of the conference forward.


Then I remember the chat of the community about the topic, thinking 
about organising some REBOL related conference in Amsterodam, simply 
to allow ppl to meet, not necessarily being dependant upon RT attending 
the conference.


And now guys organised ReborCon. I know it was initially related 
to Syllable, and REBOL clones. But - if you read the website carefully, 
the topics are much broader - it already mentions topics for R2, 
R3, Boron, Red. So - what is the problem here? To abandon non official 
REBOL topics on conference, which is called RebCon, because somehow 
imaginary, RT might have the right to "own" the conference name?


Shouldn't we be in fact gratefull, that Doc did not abandon REBOL 
ultimately, but starts his own project he believes in, which in the 
end can benefit for both sides - Red and R3? Is there really NO right 
for me to even not suggest a possible conference name?


The Rebcon conference name was just first out-of-my-head suggestion. 
I can come-up with some others - ReClone, ReCon, or even ReDCon (Rebol 
Developers Conference), and if you give me some time, I might come 
with something even more sophisticated marketing-wise ...

Kaj picked a name he found appropriate. I wrote my opinion. You did 
not do anything I could consider constructive.

Did he? "Kaj: The name is already outdated, though :-)". That's why 
I suggested that he just could use RebCon name. First - no trademarks 
involved. Second - RT is not actively doing conferences anyway. Third 
- I had not intention to steal the name. I can easily imagine various 
RebCons around the world, related to REBOL related topics. Of course, 
if you think about big inventions like PMA, CeBit, then I can understand, 
that you can't just borrow the name ....

As I recall there was going to be a Rebol3 demo too ..until Robert 
pulled out

Do you change a name because some one pulls their talk??

I think we should be glad for any advertising that includes rebol 
...

Were there any conferences actually organized by RT?  My recollection, 
faint as it is, and having never actually been to one in person, 
was that they were all community organized.

I would like this topic being settled, because we are getting into 
advocacy here, and the strange reaction came from RMA guys, while 
I ABSOLUTLY don't insist the conference being called RebCon. It was 
just quick suggestion, nothing more :-) We can as well pick-up another 
xy names. My idea was really open, I thought that even RT could inform 
about such an event in the community section. Of course it depends 
if Carl feels threatened by projects like Orca, Boron, Red ....

The only thing I remember from various meetings/conferences is, that 
it gets ppl more closer together, especially due to after-party in 
the evening :-) I prefer 10 ReborCons, instead of 0 RebCons :-)

And if I look into Genesi company for the inspiration, BBRV are flying 
around the world, attending meetings of local user-groups. They imo 
know why they are doing it - to motivate ppl.

Henrik, you need two main archives for the Boron demo. Pick the boron-gl 
archive for your system and use the boron-gl executable to start 
demo/present.b in the demo archive

You need to have OpenGL 2.1 and OpenAL installed in your system

Sorry, it's present/demo.b

You need to run that from the present/ directory

Disclaimer: I presented neither Carl's, nor RMA opinion. (It should 
have been obvious from "I wrote my opinion." above) Pekr immediately 
misinterpreted it by stating "reaction came from RMA guys".

Can we have a separate Disclaimers group?

I downloaded both, but the BoronGL application does not start. When 
I look in the console, it presents its help information there. I 
then went into the application bundle and started boron-gl there 
and only then was a console presented, which crashes, when typing 
DO.

(MacOSX)

Then something is wrong with the basic setup. When starting boron-gl 
alone, you should get a normal Boron console where you can try some 
functions

What do you mean by help info in the console?

what normally would appear in a terminal, is put into system.log 
(wrong place)

Odd. Are there any errors or warnings in there?

none

28/02/11 16.02.48	[0x0-0xab49b3f].boron-gl[79567]	Boron-GL 0.1.11 
(Feb 24 2011)

28/02/11 16.02.48	[0x0-0xab49b3f].boron-gl[79567]	Usage: /Users/henrikmk/Downloads/Applications/boron-gl.app/Contents/MacOS/boron-gl 
[options] [script] [arguments]
28/02/11 16.02.48	[0x0-0xab49b3f].boron-gl[79567]	Options:

28/02/11 16.02.48	[0x0-0xab49b3f].boron-gl[79567]	  -audio  Disable 
audio

28/02/11 16.02.48	[0x0-0xab49b3f].boron-gl[79567]	  -e exp  Evaluate 
expression

28/02/11 16.02.48	[0x0-0xab49b3f].boron-gl[79567]	  -h      Show 
this help and exit

28/02/11 16.02.48	[0x0-0xab49b3f].boron-gl[79567]	  -s      Disable 
security

ok, should move this to boron group...

Petr, Graham, you are right: ReBorCon was originally going to be 
an R3 focused conference. I programmed Robert as the star speaker, 
but then the R3 part imploded

Then I thought Boron was going to steal the show, but so far, Red 
has :-)

I agree that it is not wise to use the old RebCon name or the REBOL 
trademark. I'm currently considering to name the conferences RebReunion 
from now on

We want to emphasize the family nature of these languages, and the 
goal of the conference to unite both the languages and the people

Petr is right that the gathering of people creates a powerfully positive 
atmosphere. In fact, organising this conference was extremely frustrating, 
to the moment that I didn't feel like doing it anymore, being there 
was wonderful, and now that we're back home, I'm immediately plunged 
back into the frustration again. It's a rollercoaster

Kaj - just a note - RebCon was NEVER an official name of REBOL conference 
IIRC. It was REBOL DevCon. At least 2005 (Italy) and 2007 (France) 
say so.

And as for me - I don't really care. All I care about is when ppl 
meet. That helps a lot to be more tolerant, spread a good atmosphere, 
and make friends.

Kaj - RebReunion does not sound nice, I might suggest RebUnion instaed, 
if you want to have Union in the name. But - the name is surely not 
that much important imo at least not now, 6 months from the next 
devcon ....

I only remember DevCon's, too, so we specifically didn't use that 
name

I suppose we could have. There's an assumption in there that it is 
about REBOL development, so Carl must be there. But when Robert offered 
R3 GUI talks, it was about REBOL development

I thought you did a talk on cURL binding so R3 was represented

It fell off the wagon due to lack of time. That's why we've already 
planned another conference