World: r3wp

So, developers will have to choose where they want to go ... and 
there's a limited pool of rebol developers

It would even be possible to extend R3 with a Red dialect.

Graham - developers can't affect R3 Core development, not in public 
enough manner. So Red might be a testbed for R3 too ... and who knows, 
maybe Carl will be motivated to restart R3 development :-)

I hope so ...

For me, R2 is the only REBOLed product. R3 is still alpha version 
since years.
For the transition to Red, R2 is good.

the last time there was a language fork .. RT made some announcements 
to try and make rebol more attractive

BrianH: sure, why not.

yes, it was when Doc was working on R# - Carl then announced plug-ins, 
which never materialised for R2 though :-)

Doc - have you looked into Orca/Boron, if there is something usefull 
for Red? Or are those interepreter based too?

I almost never use R2, except for R2/Forward. Most of my work is 
in R3, and depends on it. For me, R3 works already, and "alpha" is 
irrelevant.

Orca/Boron aren't license compatible with Red, same as with R3.

The main block on sharing work with Orca/Boron and REBOL is their 
license.

Except that Rebol is sold. I can't imagine that Carl is not going 
to sell R3 !?

BrianH - from end user's perspective, you might not be right - missing 
pop, smtp, ftp, sqlite, mysql, postgress in official distro, just 
to name the few, GUI's not useable yet too, hence ppl keep tied to 
R2 ....

That's why I'm tied to R2 Petr, and CALL is important to me as well.

Pekr: Interpreted as well and written in C, so no possible code re-use 
for Red. But I must admit that if I hadn't choosed the compilation 
path, I would have jumped into Boron to contribute. There's some 
good potential there for a serious R2 open source clone.

someone should get the info to Carl, maybe he will stop breeding 
chicken and start coding R3 again :-) (just a joke - I have nothing 
about breeding animals :-)

Agreed, Pekr, but my situation is different. I don't use most of 
that stuff, and when I do I have R2, or many other languages. Most 
of my apps have no UI.

Gregg - right, I forgot that one - 'call, and very bad console, which 
did not serve initial purpose - being usable via ssh etc connection 
anyway ...

Red's forward-thinking view on parallelism is very welcome too.

R3 also does not have a 64 bit path mapped for it

Gregg - well, we have odbc for R3, as well as libCurl for networking 
(or Graham's networking protocols), call is here, it just does not 
wait nor does it read the output ....

Yes, Graham, also important.

Today, the best way is to open sourced R2 and merge with Boron effort.
As R3 is different from R2.

We're a bit OT here, don't want to hijack the group.

well, the group purpose is completed!

Can't merge with Boron while it has a *GPL license.

the reborcon is over ..

Winter edition, but Kaj talks about fall edition !

( wish people would stop using seasons ... !  it's summer here! )

Pekr, CALL in R3 is waiting (on Win32, at least).

That's why you're always early for the confrerences Graham.

or late !

( Summer ! Cool ! )

Yes, there will be an autumn conference, to finish this one

The name is already outdated, though :-)

Doc will try to be there to report on Red progress

Graham, if you were here, you would have felt it was the winter edition 
;-)

Looks like Rebol is undergoing a renaissance via open source forks

I hope so

Added the Red link to the site

Karl has published the 3D Boron demo, including OpenGL Boron builds 
for Linux and OS X:

http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/urlan/wiki/BoronFiles

How do you run the demos?

Kaj - you could adapt RebCon, because official REBOL conferences 
are no more, so .....

so?

so the name is free to use, does not contain REBOL name (trademark), 
so free to use, and "REB" indicates it is rebol related ...

Pekr, I would expect you to pick a more decent and constructive approach. 
How did you find out you had the right to decide? Did you ask anybody?

Ladislav - what are you talking about here? What is decent and constructive 
about the conference name? Are we going to be censored here, or what? 
This is really starting to be crazy. Look at the Amiga - there is 
AmigaOS, Aros, MorphOS, UAE, there was Amithlon .... and I expect 
ppl meeting at various accassions, to share the spirit of the Amiga, 
although there were some infights between the groups.


Now to REBOL. Last DevCon (Italian Devcon was not even called RebCon 
- http://www.colellachiara.com/devcon05/) was held in 2007 in Paris? 
Then there was one online meeting coordinated by Nick (?), and there 
was an attempt to organise DevCon in Prague, in two consecutive years. 
Carl decided not to attend, from various reasons, so we decided not 
to push the idea of the conference forward.


Then I remember the chat of the community about the topic, thinking 
about organising some REBOL related conference in Amsterodam, simply 
to allow ppl to meet, not necessarily being dependant upon RT attending 
the conference.


And now guys organised ReborCon. I know it was initially related 
to Syllable, and REBOL clones. But - if you read the website carefully, 
the topics are much broader - it already mentions topics for R2, 
R3, Boron, Red. So - what is the problem here? To abandon non official 
REBOL topics on conference, which is called RebCon, because somehow 
imaginary, RT might have the right to "own" the conference name?


Shouldn't we be in fact gratefull, that Doc did not abandon REBOL 
ultimately, but starts his own project he believes in, which in the 
end can benefit for both sides - Red and R3? Is there really NO right 
for me to even not suggest a possible conference name?


The Rebcon conference name was just first out-of-my-head suggestion. 
I can come-up with some others - ReClone, ReCon, or even ReDCon (Rebol 
Developers Conference), and if you give me some time, I might come 
with something even more sophisticated marketing-wise ...

Kaj picked a name he found appropriate. I wrote my opinion. You did 
not do anything I could consider constructive.