World: r3wp

Oldes - I fear that Carl closes the shop, instead of open-sourcing. 
Or - he might continue in R3 development, doing 2 releases per year, 
being still in alpha after another 5 years, and gaining some momentum 
on some vapor lists, where e.g. Amiga is being recently listed :-)

Red's MIT/BSD licensed (which? both?) so there 's no reason we can't 
work on both R3 and Red.

I don't think my announcement will change anything for R3 development. 
In fact, it might even attract more people to R3, while waiting for 
a working Red version. ;-)

The last time i looked at Paul Graham's arc, that seemed to be stalled 
as well.  the point is that this is a huge undertaking for any single 
person

Brian: I haven't choosed yet.

Thanks for the PDF doc. I had trouble with RocketSlide as well.

They can be complementary. Red is really limited (according to the 
slides), so mixed language projects could be appropriate as long 
as Red's syntax is a strict subset.

So, developers will have to choose where they want to go ... and 
there's a limited pool of rebol developers

It would even be possible to extend R3 with a Red dialect.

Graham - developers can't affect R3 Core development, not in public 
enough manner. So Red might be a testbed for R3 too ... and who knows, 
maybe Carl will be motivated to restart R3 development :-)

I hope so ...

For me, R2 is the only REBOLed product. R3 is still alpha version 
since years.
For the transition to Red, R2 is good.

the last time there was a language fork .. RT made some announcements 
to try and make rebol more attractive

BrianH: sure, why not.

yes, it was when Doc was working on R# - Carl then announced plug-ins, 
which never materialised for R2 though :-)

Doc - have you looked into Orca/Boron, if there is something usefull 
for Red? Or are those interepreter based too?

I almost never use R2, except for R2/Forward. Most of my work is 
in R3, and depends on it. For me, R3 works already, and "alpha" is 
irrelevant.

Orca/Boron aren't license compatible with Red, same as with R3.

The main block on sharing work with Orca/Boron and REBOL is their 
license.

Except that Rebol is sold. I can't imagine that Carl is not going 
to sell R3 !?

BrianH - from end user's perspective, you might not be right - missing 
pop, smtp, ftp, sqlite, mysql, postgress in official distro, just 
to name the few, GUI's not useable yet too, hence ppl keep tied to 
R2 ....

That's why I'm tied to R2 Petr, and CALL is important to me as well.

Pekr: Interpreted as well and written in C, so no possible code re-use 
for Red. But I must admit that if I hadn't choosed the compilation 
path, I would have jumped into Boron to contribute. There's some 
good potential there for a serious R2 open source clone.

someone should get the info to Carl, maybe he will stop breeding 
chicken and start coding R3 again :-) (just a joke - I have nothing 
about breeding animals :-)

Agreed, Pekr, but my situation is different. I don't use most of 
that stuff, and when I do I have R2, or many other languages. Most 
of my apps have no UI.

Gregg - right, I forgot that one - 'call, and very bad console, which 
did not serve initial purpose - being usable via ssh etc connection 
anyway ...

Red's forward-thinking view on parallelism is very welcome too.

R3 also does not have a 64 bit path mapped for it

Gregg - well, we have odbc for R3, as well as libCurl for networking 
(or Graham's networking protocols), call is here, it just does not 
wait nor does it read the output ....

Yes, Graham, also important.

Today, the best way is to open sourced R2 and merge with Boron effort.
As R3 is different from R2.

We're a bit OT here, don't want to hijack the group.

well, the group purpose is completed!

Can't merge with Boron while it has a *GPL license.

the reborcon is over ..

Winter edition, but Kaj talks about fall edition !

( wish people would stop using seasons ... !  it's summer here! )

Pekr, CALL in R3 is waiting (on Win32, at least).

That's why you're always early for the confrerences Graham.

or late !

( Summer ! Cool ! )

Yes, there will be an autumn conference, to finish this one

The name is already outdated, though :-)

Doc will try to be there to report on Red progress

Graham, if you were here, you would have felt it was the winter edition 
;-)

Looks like Rebol is undergoing a renaissance via open source forks

I hope so

Added the Red link to the site

Karl has published the 3D Boron demo, including OpenGL Boron builds 
for Linux and OS X:

http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/urlan/wiki/BoronFiles