World: r3wp

contact me privately if you want them straight away :)

No need for that, I can wait. I won't have too much time anyway, 
it's just that I don't want to fall behind with my ODBC extension, 
and A109 is lacking some functionality that A110 should already supply.

I received some critics about promising but not releasing the OpenGL 
test prototype so I decided to release what I have now. You can get 
it from here:

http://cyphre.mysteria.cz/tests/r3gl.zip

for more info please read the readme.txt inside the archive.

GFX benchmark result
0:01:17.748 5.144 FPS

in VirtualBox

R3    = 0:00:05.891 67.9 FPS
R3gl = 0:00:06.688 59.808 FPS

R3 (2.100.107)      - 0:00:07.367 54.296 FPS
R3GL (2.100.110) - 0:00:06.376 62.735 FPS

With updated version from Cyphre:
R3gl - 0:00:03.234 123.685 FPS

Sadly, I have the same result for both versions ...

r3.exe |  r3gl.exe
0:00:02.853 140.203 FPS | 0:00:03.056 130.890 FPS
0:00:02.964 134.952 FPS | 0:00:02.806 142.551 FPS
0:00:02.823 141.693 FPS | 0:00:02.833 141.193 FPS
0:00:03.043 131.449 FPS | 0:00:02.763 144.770 FPS
0:00:02.964 134.952 FPS | 0:00:02.837 140.994 FPS
0:00:02.948 135.685 FPS | 0:00:02.784 143.678 FPS

You can try do download the zip again as I did. There was a wrong 
version.

btw... the r3.exe which is in the zip now is probably also oGL version

(the redownload was for pekr)

I did so ... first zip contained only one file, the second one contained 
2 exes. But the result seems like not being accelerated?

sorry guys, I screwed the archive yesterday. If you want to try it 
again, please use this one: http://cyphre.mysteria.cz/tests/r3gl-proper.zip

this archive contains
r3.exe - that's the official version
r3gl.exe - that's the accelerated one

I blogged a bit about the FreeType implementation in the host kit 
at http://solie.ca/


Besides the bold/italics issue I also noticed the line length is 
not being calculated correctly or similar because the text is rendering 
beyond the window bounds. If we can fix both of these issues I think 
the FreeType implementation should be as good as the win32 implementation.

ssolie: looks good! The FreeType needs some fine-tuning as I made 
the conversion very quickly and had no time to look into the freetype 
API details to provide 100% accurate results as on Windows. But anyway 
it is great progress on your side. Keep up!

Ah, way better results, then, Cyphre. 132 fps vs 86 fps on my laptop 
now.

0:00:07.345 54.458 FPS   |   0:00:06.367 62.823 FPS
0:00:07.174 55.756 FPS   |   0:00:06.273 63.765 FPS
0:00:07.038 56.834 FPS   |   0:00:06.295 63.542 FPS

Christian, what are your hardware specs? Your unaccelereated speed 
is higher than my accelerated one and my video card should be pretty 
good. I'm getting the following stats with a Core 2 Duo @ 1.8 GHz, 
Radeon 5770 (slightly overclocked), Win 7 64 bit:

0:00:08.846 45.218 FPS | 0:00:05.125 78.048 FPS
0:00:08.45   47.337 FPS | 0:00:05.037 79.412 FPS
0:00:08.498 47.069 FPS | 0:00:05.024 79.617 FPS

Thanks guys..so far it looks good:

-there are no crashes (yet) so it looks the method is highly compatible 
as I expected

-if you have at least decent (doesn't mean new or fast) card the 
difference can be somewhere between 70-100% performance increase 
in the test

-noone(yet) reported case when opengl-speed < sw-speed except Henrik 
running some VM which has most probably bad OpenGL support.


Regrading Pekr's case. He is using Intel on-board gfx which has either 
not good performance/opengl driver or he has forced in the driver 
config VSYNC limiter set to ON so the FPS cannot get higher than 
60Hz LCD frequency.

Yes, VirtualBox OpenGL is very poor. I may try something in Parallels 
later.

AdrianS, I measured on a Vaio with a NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M graphics 
card, 8core Intel i7CPU Q 720 @ 1.60GHz, Win 7.64 bit, 8 GB RAM.

Hmm, I wonder if Cyphre's test is really CPU bound - your video chipset 
shouldn't be that much, or at all, better than mine (from what I 
recall). Your CPU kicks my old junker's butt, though. So the test 
might be measuring CPU performance more than accelerated video.

Again.. in the archive was wrong exe. Named R3.exe, but with OpenGL 
as well. So that's why Christian had almost same high values.

Although now I see that he has 8core CPU, so maybe he has the speed 
with the official version:/

Yeah, I think he's got the right archive with the 132/86 numbers. 
Pretty sure that my card should be close to or better than his in 
a test that would not be doing any CPU heavy operations.

Oldes, I've posted new timings here Fri 20:16 some messages above, 
getting 86 FPS without and 132 FPS with hw accleration using the 
zip archiv r3gl-proper.zip, have you noticed that? So, seems to be 
the correct version since there is a reasonable difference between 
those two version.

I think Christian's results are correct. He has certainly much powerful 
CPU than Adrian. Also note that the HW accelerated version is still 
using CPU for some parts so the CPU power still can help increase 
speed even in this case. Another thing is that the performance depends 
also on the gfx driver and troughput of the CPU->GPU pipeline. So 
in some configurations the gfx card can be fast enough but it is 
blocked by worse mainboard design etc.

I tried to build R3 host kit (carls-R3A110-a660e4a) for Visual Studio 
2010 (make-vc10), I got the error  C1083: Cannot open include file: 
'netdb.h': No such file or directory	c:\users\awi\documents\rebol\hostkit\carls-r3a110-a660e4a\src\include\sys-net.h

the same here, with CodeBlocks ...

I noticed, that this hostkit is some linux version. When you look-up 
netdb.h, it seems its inclusion belongs to non-Windows #ifdef .... 
I even redefined /src/include/reb-to.h to #define TO_WIN32, but still 
no luck .....

If you want just to try A110, go to REBOL3 GUI group here, there's 
a link to download a binary and dll .... we will have to wait for 
Carl to resurface and correct the release, or even better - to merge 
the changes to official location ...

The "carls-R3A110-a660e4a" release  works for me. You need to change 
in reb-to.h define# TO_WIN32 to get it work on Windows as Pekr said.

that did not help here ...

what error are you getting?

wait a bit ... I'll try to redownload Carl's HostKit

first - I am not able to get it downloaded via git client (Tortoise, 
nor normal), I get following error:

git.exe fetch -v --progress  "A110-Carl" 


fatal: http://github.com/carls/R3A110/info/refsnot found: did you 
run git update-server-info on the server?

you should probably clone it instead

Pekr, I tried it without the git client using this link: http://github.com/carls/R3A110/zipball/master

Downloaded .zip file. Tried it now - it works. It just does not seem 
to copy dll to the place of the exe, or something like that:

Linking executable: bin\Release\r3.exe
Output size is 317,50 KB
Running project post-build steps
post-build-win.cmd bin\Release\

Execution of 'post-build-win.cmd bin\Release\' in 'C:\!rebol\!R3\r3-host-kit-A110\make-cbp' 
failed.
Nothing to be done.

yes, the .cmd file is missing from some reason

I think that when Carl is back, we should merge. CC contains already 
some A111 fixes. What was the reason Carl posted the source tree 
in the different than usual place?

It's a test location

First, all make-* build methods except make-gcc are community contributed 
and not officially (i.e. by Carl) maintained. Therefore they may 
get out of sync, until someone in the community steps up and fixes 
them.

Second, the temporary R3A110 repository is even more unsupported 
than usual. Unless you want to work on distribution and building 
of the hostkit itself, it's probably better to stay clear of this 
and  wait until things settle down a bit.

Third, Pekr, you are _still_ using the wrong URL for your remote. 
Either make a fresh clone with

  git clone git://github.com/carls/R3A110.git


or fix your remote manually (Probably via `git remote set-url origin 
git://github.com/carls/R3A110.git`.)

anyone can help? Thx!

Aloysius - I already described the help, and Cyphre kind of confirmed 
- I noticed, that this hostkit is some linux version. When you look-up 
netdb.h, it seems its inclusion belongs to non-Windows #ifdef. So 
please go to /src/include/reb-to.h directory/file and rewrite the 
definition to: #define TO_WIN32

A quick note of success: just built an A110 hostkit on OSX Intel!