World: r3wp

Carl is involved in some secret projects, that's why it's such a 
mystery:)

I can accept that.  I've been looking at python and perl and cannot 
even choose a gui to work with.

I like python best, but there is no gui for v.3.0.

SFarber, it depends on what your goal is. If you want to have some 
plain fun with programming and create some handy tools, or go into 
discovery on how deep REBOL is, then REBOL is fine, even if R3 is 
not visibly moving right now. If you want to compare its momentum 
to, say, Python or Ruby, and look at the suite of libraries for them, 
then REBOL clearly loses out, because it is not as widespread.

Typically, there are not many libraries available as most choose 
to use REBOL very vertically in their hobby or business, including 
both of those I'm involved in.

What do you use REBOL for?

Almost anything in my pipeline: Text editing, compiling, building, 
writing docs, compiling docs, deployment, support and website.

What kind of "compiling" do you use REBOL for?

Compilation of dialects from other dialects or generating code. Not 
really anything specific, but whatever happens to be suitable for 
the current project.

Are you talking about using REBOL as a scripting language?

I realize this is a strange response, but there are many things that 
one would do in REBOL that would probably be a terrible idea in other 
languages.

I used REBOL to build Machinarium game for iPad2 which should be 
released this week:) And I can swear that without REBOL it would 
not be possible although this version is coded in ActionScript 3.

OK.  My interest is in a gui and a database.

And I'm looking forward to play a little bit with the new Adobe AIR3.0 
SDK - http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/beta/reference/actionscript/3/class-summary.html

Which does not mean I will leave REBOL.

Sfarber, ok, that should be possible.

OK, everybody who knows rebol loves it.

I've been using it for a decade now. The big problem with it is that 
anything else becomes painful to work with. :-)

I guess I'm just going to have to learn rebol regardless of anything 
else I learn.

Outside of rebol, what is the best free gui toolkit?

Hard to say... I'm not gui person, if I don't count Flash.. maybe 
other knows.

Henrik, Oldes, thanks for your time.

From time to time I watch http://haxe.org/doc

Pekr: "...author's ignorance to co-work with the community..." - 
this time you are wrong. It is your ignorance, Pekr.

The big problem with it is that anything else becomes painful to 
work with.


That is so true. Once you realize, how easy development can be, it's 
a pain to work with just about any other language. The difference 
is like when humans moved from carving letters into stone to using 
a printing press a la Gutenberg.


If you're forced to use other languages, it's maybe not a good idea 
to learn REBOL!? :) Jokes aside, learning REBOL was the largest change 
for me in my programming career.

SFarber, regarding gui toolkits, maybe Qt is worth a look. Was created 
by norwegian Trolltech and acquired by Nokia:
http://qt.nokia.com/products/

I remember, it looked promising, when it came out. I don't know, 
if it still holds.

Qt is very popular, but it is written in C++, which from our perspective 
means that it is much harder to write bindings to other languages 
for than for toolkits written in C

Isn't it possible to make a C wrapper for Qt? Maybe it is done already?

Yes, but that's the thing: before you can write a binding to your 
language, you must write a binding to C in C++. So it's double work 
and you must be fluent in C++ as well

I'm not sure, but I don't think the bindings are usually written 
with that one intermediate level in C. They're usually meshes of 
C++ and the target language in some tool such as SWIG

And as always, writing it once is not enough. You also have to maintain 
it when Qt changes

Too bad. :/

Maybe it is possible in an easy way, as I read this on the wiki:

Qt can also be used in several other programming languages via language 
bindings.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_%28framework%29

Sure, that's after the hard work is done

If you evaluate toolkits, you'll see a sharp distinction in available 
bindings between C and C++ subsystems, and in how current the bindings 
are

Ladislav - I don't mind you thinking I am wrong, as I might be easily 
misunderstood. This time though, I insist. You either know what has 
to be done to support your effort, or you don't, which is often the 
case of good engineers ...

I wonder what happens with Qt. Is that open-sourced? Because there 
is no place for Qt at Nokia now, after they became MS HW house?

And Intel seems to be closing MeeGo down too :-( Meego, as a mobile 
OS, was not tied to JAVA, like Android is. You could run Python, 
PHP - it would be probably a good target for R3 without much effort 
...

probably a good target for R3 without much effort
 ... are you volunteering then? ;)

For Meego? If the person informing me about the architecture was 
correct, then it is "normal" Linux, so we would need ARM kernel port 
(which can be done by Carl only), and Hostkit port. What's here to 
volunteer for? And would you support dying platform?

I was just trying to state, that we are not lucky in the mobile area, 
as to support iOS, Android, WP, all require special aproach, not 
just "normal" OS port ....

R3 probably runs on x86 MeeGo already. Someone interested in MeeGo 
should just try.

Did not know x86 was supported by Meego ....

Does anybody know situation on BlackBerries? OS8 should be QNX based. 
QNX has C inteface. IIRC, there was some veeeery old port of R2. 
Hopefully there's not some special API to support, I mean, in JAVA, 
etc.

http://www.osnews.com/story/25125/Samsung_Denies_webOS_Plans_Intel_Denies_it_s_Dropping_MeeGo

Ah, should not read Czech "news" servers :-) They reported on Digitimes 
article just yesterday :-)

It was just flame bait

I wonder, if following info might be important for the Meego - https://meego.com/community/blogs/rudolfstreif/2011/meego-ivi-achieves-genivi-compliance

If you're targeting cars :-)

No, I just think, that as a platform (OS), it might find its niche 
market, not necessarily dying. Then WebOS might be in worse condition. 
Samsung has BADA, so they don't need it, and I am not sure anyone 
else will buy it ... We will see - it seems that in mobile market, 
there are just following player - iOS, Android, WP7, then BB (QNX), 
Bada (Samsung), Symbian (Nokia)

You either know what has to be done to support your effort, or you 
don't, which is often the case of good engineers ...

 - that is typical for you, an unrelated thing. You ignored Karl Robillard's 
 effort, so it is your ignorance. I did not.