World: r3wp

so you'll buy a broken phone for Carl?

If we could get REBOL into Cydia, It'd be worth it.

rebol memory requirements have always been huge .. what are these 
devices now capable of ?

Apple has recently relaxed the restrictions on interpreters, on a 
case-by-case basis. Most of REBOL would probably need to be excluded 
from iPhone builds (networking support, for instance). And it would 
be difficult to write cross-platform apps without them being rejected. 
But you could make a iPhone-specific version of R3, and it might 
be approved. Host kit apps only though, no scripts.

Nick, what do you invisage using rebol on an iphone for?

Here's an interesting subject: What value does R3 have as a library 
in another app with its own GUI and networking?

would you be able to run a web server on the phone?

Use all those spare cycles for seti ?

Likely not a web server, especially if it has any dynamic code.

Unless you are talking about phones other than the iPhone.

Brian, REBOL format.

(in answer to the "What value..." question)

?

to enable rebol programmers

Ah, the REBOL data model and the processing of its syntax. Yes, that 
would be a value.

Graham, I'd like to be able to use it for normal scripting - to run 
any of the 100 little scripts that manage data for me on my desktop 
PC, to connect with REBOL formatted data files and text files on 
my web sites, etc.

the Rebol *language* in another platform.   the language itself is 
REBOL's biggest feature.

I've often thought (and may even have suggested, though I'm normally 
so shy :-), that promoting REBOL as a data format would be a good 
thing.

Nick, that kind of thing would be prohibited on the iPhone, still. 
Sorry.

it would be very nice if we had a C library able to load rebol data 
into a simple C struct format.

Not in the Cydia Store.

My understanding is that at least 10% of iPhone users have Cydia 
installed.

Either way, I'd pay just to have it for my own user :)

my own use

Right. Well, I have friends with iPhones and we are starting the 
Stanford iPhone development coursees, so that would be interesting. 
You would have to figure out how to jailbreak the phone now that 
the security hole previously used is plugged.

I don't have developer skills to offer much help, but I'd offer a 
bounty if anyone's interested...

Why bother with iPhone ?

Android will make it irrelevant in the long term

hehe nick has a pet slave  ;-)

And I doubt Carl, as an ex Apple employee, would be particularly 
interested in bypassing Apple's restrictions

The big question really is how difficult is it going to be to run 
Rebol on Android ....

I am bothering with an iPhone because they will still be relevant 
due to the large number of users they have. Not personally though 
- I went Android.

I also think Android is the best choice, but more mobile platforms, 
the merrier.

What platforms are currently operational?  Win32, Linux32 and ??

The idea that there will only be one significant phone platform is 
silly. We will have to consider Android, iPhone, and maybe RIM and 
WP7.

Until then, I'll have to keep using my old core155 version on Windows 
Mobile (that's no joke - I actually used that for several years).

Market leader is RIM, followed by Android and then IOS

I still have that phone, but I just carry a Windows 7 netbook everywhere 
I go, and a tiny clamshell phone - that setup is much more powerful 
and practical.

For my current needs.

However, it makes more sense to target the OS most used by developers

I know, Nick. I was the one who asked for that build in the first 
place. Unfortunately, that is why it doesn't support onscreen keyboards 
well: The original build was for a netbook.

My biggest hope is still to see more developers attracted to REBOL, 
and mobile platforms are fresh meat.

I would love to be able to render postscript in a view face/gob

Give us the power and the developers will flock

Do we have any technical possibility to ever run even on Android? 
Does it allow native code? How do we link to their API, which is 
JAVA based?

Pekr: technical possibility? yes. native code? yes. use android api? 
see the link I posted above; SL4A could be a start.

thanks, missed those ones ...

Rebol on mobiles makes sense to provide mobile clients to some commercial 
enterprise apps. Management loves to see the latest real-time sales 
numbers.

yes, I know - but so far, it seems to me, that most platforms are 
going towards more prohibitive way of accessing their APIs, and overall 
running other environments on them. For corporate sphere, Android, 
Win7 and BB are important, not so much iPhone imo, but if you introduce 
that as part of your app solution, some might accept it.

the thing is, how we can get REBOL on such platforms. Compile REBOL 
app into something else or having REBOL in JAVA e.g., sucks imo - 
lot's of work. I can see the only way to be a native port, but then 
- connecting to APIs might be technically difficult.