World: r3wp

OK then :) It's all well and good to complain about stuff, but getting 
stuff done requires contributions, either of effort, money or in 
some cases research. If you can write a good enough spec, it makes 
it easier for someone to implement it. Short of that, it gets a little 
tiring to hear that REBOL isn't good for this or that workload, when 
it is already good for other workloads. If you think that REBOL has 
a weakness that can be resolved in some way, help resolve it. Otherwise, 
use another tool :)

For instance, I remember some guy named shadwolf helping resolve 
the lack of a rich text editor in REBOL :)

I can express needs and do remarks without knowing how to do them 
 and brianH i think i proved when i know how to do something i do 
it and then share my knowledge with the bigest number possible

yeah but the solution i  proposed could be way more sexy and without 
alot of work ...

and redering a text only document is not the same as rendering a 
web page for example ... we are one step closer to that goal when 
i proposed a AGG only engine people told me it's impossible and steeve 
made that vision come true ...

Maybe I'm just interpreting the vast amount of words you write about 
any subject as harping. If I could type that fast, I'm sure I'd be 
as verbose :)

Brianh you need to abstract yourself from syntax and semantic rules 
that's easy you type on your keyboard a like a drunken guy and that's 
it :)

you don't imagine all the task it takes me to do a single line of 
rebol rebol can understaand without errors :)

Doesn't help. Damaged hand.

aaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa

i want rebol to be attractive i want my boss to tell me i can use 
it every day is that  to much to ask ?

That is a question for Advocacy. Here, we build stuff :)

k so buld me a R3 that will make java looks like a toy thank you 
in advance ... i sware on my grave i would had it writed with  "i 
made my life a rebol" :)

be we all knows that i won"t die i will fade away progressively than 
disapear without a trace :)

Java already seems like a throwback to the last century to me, like 
a steam engine. Steam engines can still be useful at times though.

Meanwhile, I should get back to building R3. Right now I'm revamping 
the module system some more.

maybe a good comparation is my netbook ...  ok on my netbook i have 
3 os i have mister windows 7 starter edition  wich use so much mu 
cpu that the bettery life is cut by 2

then i have mister ubuntu netbook 10.04 wild thing animal thing dot 
thing then faster to start good perf extensible with thousand of 
applications just with a single click then i have android fast starting 
no apps and a web browser so slow that i can go take a coffee before 
the page gets full rendered. android is a close poratage without 
access to android market  so it comes wth some apps and that's all 
you can get but it boots in 5 secs ... sooooooooooo what do i use 
?

i use ubuntu  why  because even if it boot up in 45 seconds that's 
why better than booting in  3 minutes like windows 7 started ed does 
and then on the overall use it's way faster and reactive than the 
 windows 7 doing i don't know what with my cpu to mobilise it 100%

wolfie, there's lots to do before r3 is ready .. why not work with 
what we have?

with ubuntu i have 7 hours of use on battery full charge with windows 
7 3hours  and the cPU is so hot i can't handle it ...

Advocacy, really. We're building something specific here. These general 
requests to make R3 "better" or "faster" are swamping the group that 
would better be kept to specifics.

This is the r3 group ...

To make R3 better .. we need extensions

As I have shown it's fairly trivial to load up a 3D library in R3

but i want you to build me a R3 with nice graphics that are using 
lot all  my hardware   :(

Even for someone like me who has never done any C/C++ programming

Why ask us when you can do this yourself

Shadwolf, we got that request. No need to keep elaborating on it. 
What else, specificly?

hum ?? ok so i can speak here if i do an opencl extension and its 
dialect and then do the port of cheyenne to it and a demo called 
that's my web server running on my ATI 5670 ?

We have the !REBOL3 GUI and !REBOL3 Extensions groups to handle that 
request. It's a work in process. What else?

i'm not the ordered kind of guy sorry i like chaos

I like your enthusiasm, but we're actively working on R3 right now. 
Except the OpenCL stuff, everything you are requesting is already 
being worked on.

shadwolf is gone owling to the moon in the deepe forest to ease his 
pain ....

I am personally not working on graphics, but others are. Right now 
I am working on optimizing the module system so the graphics work 
will be loaded better, faster, safer and more organized. Once that 
is done I can work on other projects, time and energy permitting. 
Your vote for OpenCL support has been added to the other requests 
for it that have already come in.

With limited man power it makes sense to work on the most blocking 
aspects of R3 development.  I don't know if anyone has created such 
a list ... and whether it would be adhered to anyway, as development 
is being driven by politics and money.

And that's not necessarily a bad thing because without money, we 
would be stuck with 0 progress.

driven by -> supported by

Not all of us can afford to donate their time/energy to this. Not 
even me as much anymore.

http://www.rebol.com/roadmap.htmlwas updated on Bastille day

This is a list of open projects .. but note that there is no prioritization 
visible

http://www.rebol.com/projects.html

The lack of coordination and exclusiveness of the current development 
methodology does not maximize the use of the community

Just because R3 isn't multi-threaded doesn't mean we can't be

Right now the main core of current development is coordinated. It 
would be nice to maximize the use of the community, but the interrelated 
projects are already being coordinated, and syncing up the projects 
that can be done independently would just add management overhead.

Anyone able to assess whether this is feasible http://www.libssh2.org/
as an extension or whatever ...

BSD license vs the LGPL license for libssh ( which also does server 
side ssh )

I have used it. Works very good. It's used in the communication layer 
I have done.

Are you releasing that or should we reimplement it?

It will be released. To really be convinient we need R3 callbacks. 
So, it's to much a prototype yet. My experience showed that things 
need to have a critical maturity level before others will pick it 
up and really use it.

So, did you do a R3 or R2 implementation?