World: r3wp

I got to this - http://www.rebol.com/priorities.html

So we at least know a bit, what is planned ;-)

Damned, I was not supposed to link to this page ... and this group 
is web public ....

Oh, nice.

nice, surely ... now Carl will kill me :-)

otoh I found it out myself ... just clicking small WIP wiki icons, 
which are publicly available :-)

just wondering when we'll get edit access. typo reports are piling 
up.

From R3 chat it sounds like Graham can edit, but I wonder if he means 
the general pages or just the manual.

Sounds like a lot of work still ahead...for R3 beta

Petr, see it as a smart marketing action. Make it hidden, mighty 
and people will take a look. IMO Apple knows this to perfection. 
Creating a huge hype & buzz upfront new products.

Rebol's future lies in R3.  So, prioritizing the website over r3 
development, and hence blocking all the developers, seems an odd 
choice

+1 (it's an important step, yes. But all people that care about R3 
at the moment are here and know how to use it.)

We should present our own priority list and compare them ...

No doubt everyone's list will be a little different

I wonder if Carl isn't just following a GTD scheme, which basically 
means working on whatever motivates him the most right now, because 
that overall gives the highest level of productivity.

Well, no wonder there's no one else left at RT

and sometimes leaving a problem alone for a while allows a much better 
solution present itself.

to present

R3 is not going to be finished by one person ... the whole point 
was to involve the community.

well, it seems to me the community is plenty involved, but it could 
be a bit better.

Blocking the community by working on the website just seems incompatible 
with that aim

I'm not sure how that blocks the community. Did curecode stop working?

I agree with Graham - in fact it is highly demotivating and frustrating 
situation. Some points of my analysis are ignored, and exactly predictable. 
When website redo and 2.x upgrade was announced, I knew exactly what 
happens and what it means for R3. Not a one week halt, but it is 
stalled for more than one month already.

Why do we always stop at 95% of the subsystem completness?

Normally things stop at 90-95% because they're too difficult

Sorry, I'm playing devil's advocate here. But, really, there is still 
a ton of things to do that doesn't involve Carl. The function reference 
manual is only 30% done and that took me a week to do. So why don't 
a couple of people here continue the work? I won't have time for 
the next few months. Carl has asked for this several times, and this 
is something that really needs to be done.

Henrik ... do we even have a license?

To what?

for r3

Henrik - maybe ppl too want to choose, what they work on? :-) E.g. 
Graham started the work on Schemes. He really SHOULD (and was supposed 
to be) supported. Nothin happened. Robert throwed some Extension 
related questions to R3 Chat - no answers too ...

A number of us said that R3 chat was a waste of resources ... and 
... now, barely anyone uses it.

So people can choose what to work on and Carl can't?

Carl can do what he wants .. and that's the problem

His choices are illogical

Pekr, Graham knows more about schemes and protocols now than he did 
before. I'd say there is a win there.

Graham, so should we shut down the open R3 chat, which you and I 
can fix bugs in and use the AltME that people don't like because 
it's closed source?

There's no win if I can't use it for anything ...

Might as well shut down R3 chat as Carl isn't using it .. and that 
was supposed to be his communication channel

Questions go unanswered ...

Well, you have the knowledge now.

Who says that Carl isn't using it? I see some private messages trickling 
in once in a while. And Graham, you didn't respond to my question 
that I posted there 3 hours ago to help resolve the document editing 
situation on rebol.com.

Henrik - what are you talking about? Graham asked for assistance, 
schemes were supposed to be "revised" to see, if we use correct aproach 
in order for Carl to be acceptable ... it was promissed ... but did 
not happened ...

Pekr, then Graham should ask him again.

Henrik:  WHERE? :-)

R3 chat...

ok, Graham, please do so :-)

I didn't see any questions ...

I have no special rights ...

you don't need special rights to read message #6739.

How was I supposed to know that your message was in response to my 
statement from 2 weeks ago???