World: r3wp

r3 gui

comments are for failed experiments :)

yes, we really need it.

We should ask doc ....

But there is a graphics section under cc

Yes, it should not be there. There are many subsections: Styles, 
layout, View, Text, DRAW, etc. We may face hundreds of reports on 
styles alone.

You're optimistic!

Or a pessemist :)

Better to be prepared for a flood of reports. I suspect the GUI might 
be a bit popular.

:-) So when the work on GUI is supposed to be restarted? Do we wait 
for its inclusion into HostKit section?

Need to finish a project first and then we're beginning. Hopefully 
next week. With a place to report bugs, you can start a little earlier.

If you need more attributes than the standard gob! provides then 
just make the data attribute an object! and put them in there.
 Right, and that object is called a "face".

Gabriele, was make-gob entirely finished? It can still be useful.

I was just reading about upcoming new Facebook facelift ... and following 
the discussion I found out, that one person suggests very cool Facebook 
client done in Silverlight. I needed to download SL beta 4. Then 
I tried that mighty app. Guy, I can tell you - we can do it in View 
anyday. Its not any faster, any better, and I would really like to 
see the ugly code behind the app. My long time suggestion to popularise 
View is to wrap known services - gmail, FB, etc. E.g. especially 
on my Winmobile, ther's a FB client done by MS, and you can't even 
read more than 1 reaction to your post. I imediatelly can imagine 
Winmobile client in R3 :-)


Here's the screenshot - http://xidys.com/pekr/facebook-silverlight.jpg

can't access your pic.

Works from here ...

does now... strange

Graham, the first definition of "facet" is the one that applies here. 
The part of a gemstone that has facets is called the face. Facet 
means part of a face.

Pekr, couldn't you at least smile ?  :)

Brian, there are just too many words that are so similar ...

face - 2nd level gui object with gobs, like a scheme
facet - part of a face
faced - local variables for a widget instance

It's a perfectly valid english word, used correctly. And it's clearly 
related to "face", whereas "part" or "attribute" is not. "Part" of 
what?

where's the jewel?

If you want to confuse people with new meanings for words .. so be 
it

It's not just jewel related, it's a general term for "part of a face". 
It's just used metaphorically for jewels, meaning part of the appearance.

I don't know about "faced" though - it's been a while since I looked 
at the GUI code, so I don't remrmber what it means.

Show me where this occurs in general usage ...

My complaint is that there are three words with similar spellings 
and different meanings

why do this when there are thousands of other words to choose from??

locals is probably a better name than faced

The metaphor is widely used. And there is a lot of English that isn't 
generally used, because most people aren't specific enough in their 
language. Only linguists, literary types and tech people are specific 
enough in their language usage to need a large vocabulary. For instance, 
I had to study historical linguistics to get a specific enough vocablary.

I think this is a type of academic type of argument that sits poorly 
with users trying to grasp new ideas

The similar spellings are a bonus - they make the words more clearly 
related. If you have a problem with the word "faced" then pick another 
word with a more correct meaning, but be sure to pick one with the 
word "face" in it so it will be clearly related.

Change face to jewel and I'd be happy with facet

Sorry, dozens of other subjects have also adopted the face metaphor, 
not just jewels. "Facet" is widely used.

The term is older than its application to jewel cutting.

irrelevant

The "face" of a jewel that the "facet" is a part of is a metaphor 
for its general appearance. "Face" is the root word for "facet".

The only word you have a legit complaint for is "faced", which is 
not a noun in English.

in what way is facet a bettter choice than attribute

Attribute of what? It's a documentation thing. Facet is clearly (and 
always) related to face.

However, I don't remember enough of the GUI model to know what the 
right word would be to use instead of "faced".

Attribute is too generic a term. There are many things in the GUI 
that have attributes.

To me there is an implication that a facet has an immutable nature

face attributes is confusing to you?

faced

, I think is used in relation to "facing", which means what facets 
are facing ... something. No I don't like the word either. :-)

From source:


faced:  ; OBJECT! - prototype of face/facets (face instance facets)
	object [
		area-size: 0x0
	]

attribute is a long word...

long words have less confusion about them

If it's hyphenated as face-attributes it would do, but there would 
be the question of why we aren't just using the term "facet", which 
is a legit English term that means a face attribute.

Short words are preferred in REBOL.