World: r3wp

Remember, that 1GB of RAM is with 0 MB of virtual memory - 1 GB is 
all you get.

If you haven't run into the memory limits, you aren't really using 
it that much.

Only 1 GB!?? Remember when whole harddisk partitions were 32 MB? 
;-)

BrianH? Why without virtual memory? Hmm, so SSD disk version does 
not support it? EeePC 10xx has normal 2.5HD. I would expect virtual 
memory is utilised with such devices? Well, anyway - felt OK for 
the weekend I had it in my hands ... but just altme, word processing, 
browsing on my side ...

Qtask (for exmaple) supports ALL browser, since www.iQtask.com is 
simplly HTML. 

Qtask did some tricky things with JavaScript to control tables, which 
is why Safari and Chrome fail.  We should have this fixed by the 
end of this month.  It is a small set of fixes.
So we then will support all browsers.


But still I woudl build a custom version of Chrome to do some "extra" 
tricks.  We also plan to support Flash plug ins, for audio support, 
etc.  These are all extras.

I love your "killing REBOL schtick" .


REBOL is a language, the x-internet concept is one of the many cool 
things about it.  BUT, for now, I'm going to keep my marraige in 
place between REBOL + HTML + JAVASCRIPT.

One day, if we all work together, then perhaps we can all have the 
best of all worlds...

If you enable virtual memory on a SSD, you can count the life of 
the SSD in months on one hand.

BrianH: if you need more, the question is, if it is right device 
for you? There are 12" machines, which are much more powerfull, yet 
not-that-big. But even netbooks are getting better. Intell needs 
to get rid of their crappy chipset. Nvidia is doing some cool work 
here, as well as S3, and even ATI. Dual Core Atoms are coming soon 
too ...

Brian...SSD yeah...the last BATCH of cards I got failed.

Reichart - some of us try to ignore HMTL side of equation altogethere. 
Remember, like with Amiga, I try to breath pure REBOL life to the 
last death. REBOL is not business for me. Hence the reluctancy to 
accept status quo. This web thing is really so shitty after 20 years, 
patches upon patches of layers, that it is no more funny. Where's 
your web "standards" without JS nowadays?

This cost me $350 in a Black Friday sale - any more and I wouldn't 
have been able to buy it at all. I really like the battery life though 
- I never have to turn it off, just suspend. This model has much 
better battery life than the larger alternatives. Plus, I find the 
limitations helpful for my job, particularly the testing phase.

Well, if 90% of the community thinks though, that View is not needed 
or can't compete (with Carl's aproach, I am starting to lose confidence 
in REBOL altogether), then we should tell Carl, because nearly for 
one year, he is dedicating mostly to graphics, while the rest would 
probably prefer Core work being done.

Fixed ... Altme now uses Chrome ... can we put this in the Graham's 
FAQ ?

Nice!

Speak for yourself. I am doing Core work.

I bought a 901 1Gb 20b linux yesterday

BrianH - no, you are not.

the ssd is a plugin card I believe

2 SSDs in the 901, one soldered in, one internal plugin. Plus a SD 
card slot.

I've already got an Acer aspire one . but my wife has taken it :(

Pekr, you are right. This week I am mostly working on Qtask work. 
However, my role in the R3 GUI project has been to do Core work.

Where is Graham's FAQ?

the 901 has bluetooth and a 4 hour battery so that's a plus

I have done so this week, even. No GUI work whatsoever.

it was a joke ...

The 901 has a 4.5 to 8 hour battery, no kidding.

Pekr, shame you view this as one or the other.  I hope one day to 
have one dialect that outputs REBOL view and an AJAX like framework.

I have a FAQ, it is a Wiki.  I'm turning much of it into a set of 
books...so joke or not, good idea.
We need a wiki for everything!

BrianH: I am so serious about REBOL, that I almost can't bear, how 
this whole project is treated :-) What you do is cool. YOU are the 
top guru in our community nowadays, as Ladislav is not here. You 
mostly patch Core mezzanines, no? I try to urge Carl to get to the 
point of release, where sources are put into DevBase. I am also not 
much satisfied with r3-gui world - while top REBOL coders are there, 
they mostly don't contribute, they rather chat here ;-)

We must be really in strange situation, when Carl invites someone 
like me (which I call a mistake :-) to r3-gui, to actually get some 
real feedback!

I also test and initiate Core native enhancements, backport changes 
to R2, refine the language design with Carl, ...

And I am the DevBase project lead.

I hope that Reichart takes what I will say now easy, as it is just 
my pov, but while Qtask give real work to some of REBOL guys, which 
is really cool, it might be also the cause why some top guys vanished. 
How often Cyphre, Gabriele, Anton, are here? Cyphre did not touch 
View for 8 or more months? Some things are not still finished. It 
is two sided sword.

(which I will get back to more next week)

Brian - I know what you do. What I mean by R3 core work is really 
a low level work - finish Unicode, finish modules, finish plug-ins, 
finish tasking, etc., so that projects like Cheyenne (which could 
turn in kind of killer app for REBOL) can proceed (move to R3).

Cyphre's work on REBOL is paid work, and they tend to accumulate 
a whole batch of fixes for him to do in one job.

We are now in the accumulation phase of that, I believe.

OK, I give up. I am in waiting mode, studying new GUI, in order to 
be able to catch few bugs for Carl. I reall wish host codes would 
be uploaded, so those of us interested, could start porting efforts 
to Os-X, Linux, Win Mobile ... and plug-in :-)

Anton does not work for Qtask.

I thought he is. So my apologies to Reichart.

Richard not working on REBOL has NOTHING to do with Qtask.

Gab not working on REBOL has NOTHING to do with Qtask (but they can 
speak up for themselves.)

You can't expect everything to be done at once. Right now we are 
focusing on what needs to be done for a developer release. The rest 
can be put off until after that release. It's triage.

Pekr, I know you keep pounding on this, but you a really wrong here... 
 Brian knows my stance on REBOL, and can attest to this.

In person :)

Qtask is their primary work, no? I am not accusing Qtask of anything, 
just that it is a primary job, which keeps guys busy. It is not only 
about REBOL, but those guys vanished from public REBOL life almost 
altogether. Can't remember Cyphre's post here, or to ML, Gabriele 
is here sporadically too.

Failure to correctly recognize causality is the root of most failures 
of perception.

Gabriele and Cyphre aren't very social.

I see Gab here most days .. he just doesn't post unless he has something 
to say

Good to see him on camera today.