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[DevCon2008 (post-chatter)] DevCon2008

Pekr
17-Dec-2008
[399]
who would use Chrome anyway? Useless attempt for the browser :-)
BrianH
17-Dec-2008
[400x2]
I would, because the memory and screen usage are a better fit for 
the netbook I do most of my stuff from nowadays :)
Same with the CPU usage, except for Flash.
Pekr
17-Dec-2008
[402]
so you support another try for the vendor lock-in, hype, and all 
of that? :-)
Sunanda
17-Dec-2008
[403]
Paul: <I just realized this group i s web-public and that means the 
links are now public.  Did we want that to happen?>

Nick has also posted the links and default userid/passwords on the 
ML, so yes, those details are public.

Still, worth bearing in mind this is all [web-public], so stay on 
topic :-)
http://www.rebol.org/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlCDZC
Reichart
17-Dec-2008
[404]
I'm a fan of Chrome, but it is too buggy for me still.  If FF speeds 
up JavaScript, I'll stick with it.  However, we are thinking of releasing 
a custom version of Chrome for Qtask.
Graham
17-Dec-2008
[405x2]
C:\Users\Graham\appdata\local\google\chrome\application\chrome.exe
 "%1"

what should it be??
is this close enuf?
Reichart
17-Dec-2008
[407x2]
(I was aware this was public, but hte Qtask link that is public is 
public, and the other link requires a password).
Nick, you might want to change the password for your site though.
BrianH
17-Dec-2008
[409]
That looks right for Vista, Graham.
Graham
17-Dec-2008
[410x2]
or art there someother command line params?
time to reboot to see if it works
Pekr
17-Dec-2008
[412]
haha, now you make me laugh, Reichart. So in order to get web crap 
really work for you, one has to release its own browser? Come on 
:-)
BrianH
17-Dec-2008
[413]
Reichart, I would be happy if the regular Qtask worked better with 
Chrome - it's the only site I frequent that needs another browser.
Pekr
17-Dec-2008
[414]
btw - FF should get new JS engine - SpiderMonkey or something like 
that, for 3.1, which is coming in few months ....
BrianH
17-Dec-2008
[415]
And then I still wouldn't be able to use it on this computer - too 
much RAM and screen space.
Pekr
17-Dec-2008
[416]
too much RAM? For FF 3.x?
Reichart
17-Dec-2008
[417x2]
Pekr, I think you jumped to a conclusion.  It is not that one needs 
to release their own browser, but rather that you can do some fun 
skinning, and also offline more, which all browsers don't support 
yet.
more = mode.
BrianH
17-Dec-2008
[419]
Yes. Chrome uses much less RAM than FF 3.x or IE.
Pekr
17-Dec-2008
[420]
BrianH - what is your netbook? I tested EeePC 901 with 1GB RAM - 
was enough :-)
Reichart
17-Dec-2008
[421x2]
For example, you can program Chrome to hold the contents of HTTPS 
between sessions, which FF does not do.

Sure, you can change settings, but giving people a single "thing" 
that does it correctly works for me.
Pekr, your anti-web stance is...uh...a little out dated.  no?
BrianH
17-Dec-2008
[423]
I have the same netbook, but I have more other stuff running on it 
so I have to count my MBs.
Pekr
17-Dec-2008
[424x2]
Offline  mode - interesting. I studied it a bit, because we needed 
off-line client for CRM, but along with data. We found some FF framework, 
but it is not W3C standard (yet).
Reichart - of course - I will be last turning off the lights from 
REBOL. Every support for web crap is good for your business, but 
is killing REBOL day by day.
BrianH
17-Dec-2008
[426x2]
Remember, that 1GB of RAM is with 0 MB of virtual memory - 1 GB is 
all you get.
If you haven't run into the memory limits, you aren't really using 
it that much.
Geomol
17-Dec-2008
[428]
Only 1 GB!?? Remember when whole harddisk partitions were 32 MB? 
;-)
Pekr
17-Dec-2008
[429]
BrianH? Why without virtual memory? Hmm, so SSD disk version does 
not support it? EeePC 10xx has normal 2.5HD. I would expect virtual 
memory is utilised with such devices? Well, anyway - felt OK for 
the weekend I had it in my hands ... but just altme, word processing, 
browsing on my side ...
Reichart
17-Dec-2008
[430x2]
Qtask (for exmaple) supports ALL browser, since www.iQtask.com is 
simplly HTML. 

Qtask did some tricky things with JavaScript to control tables, which 
is why Safari and Chrome fail.  We should have this fixed by the 
end of this month.  It is a small set of fixes.
So we then will support all browsers.


But still I woudl build a custom version of Chrome to do some "extra" 
tricks.  We also plan to support Flash plug ins, for audio support, 
etc.  These are all extras.

I love your "killing REBOL schtick" .


REBOL is a language, the x-internet concept is one of the many cool 
things about it.  BUT, for now, I'm going to keep my marraige in 
place between REBOL + HTML + JAVASCRIPT.
One day, if we all work together, then perhaps we can all have the 
best of all worlds...
BrianH
17-Dec-2008
[432]
If you enable virtual memory on a SSD, you can count the life of 
the SSD in months on one hand.
Pekr
17-Dec-2008
[433]
BrianH: if you need more, the question is, if it is right device 
for you? There are 12" machines, which are much more powerfull, yet 
not-that-big. But even netbooks are getting better. Intell needs 
to get rid of their crappy chipset. Nvidia is doing some cool work 
here, as well as S3, and even ATI. Dual Core Atoms are coming soon 
too ...
Reichart
17-Dec-2008
[434]
Brian...SSD yeah...the last BATCH of cards I got failed.
Pekr
17-Dec-2008
[435]
Reichart - some of us try to ignore HMTL side of equation altogethere. 
Remember, like with Amiga, I try to breath pure REBOL life to the 
last death. REBOL is not business for me. Hence the reluctancy to 
accept status quo. This web thing is really so shitty after 20 years, 
patches upon patches of layers, that it is no more funny. Where's 
your web "standards" without JS nowadays?
BrianH
17-Dec-2008
[436]
This cost me $350 in a Black Friday sale - any more and I wouldn't 
have been able to buy it at all. I really like the battery life though 
- I never have to turn it off, just suspend. This model has much 
better battery life than the larger alternatives. Plus, I find the 
limitations helpful for my job, particularly the testing phase.
Pekr
17-Dec-2008
[437]
Well, if 90% of the community thinks though, that View is not needed 
or can't compete (with Carl's aproach, I am starting to lose confidence 
in REBOL altogether), then we should tell Carl, because nearly for 
one year, he is dedicating mostly to graphics, while the rest would 
probably prefer Core work being done.
Graham
17-Dec-2008
[438]
Fixed ... Altme now uses Chrome ... can we put this in the Graham's 
FAQ ?
Geomol
17-Dec-2008
[439]
Nice!
BrianH
17-Dec-2008
[440]
Speak for yourself. I am doing Core work.
Graham
17-Dec-2008
[441]
I bought a 901 1Gb 20b linux yesterday
Pekr
17-Dec-2008
[442]
BrianH - no, you are not.
Graham
17-Dec-2008
[443]
the ssd is a plugin card I believe
BrianH
17-Dec-2008
[444]
2 SSDs in the 901, one soldered in, one internal plugin. Plus a SD 
card slot.
Graham
17-Dec-2008
[445]
I've already got an Acer aspire one . but my wife has taken it :(
BrianH
17-Dec-2008
[446]
Pekr, you are right. This week I am mostly working on Qtask work. 
However, my role in the R3 GUI project has been to do Core work.
Reichart
17-Dec-2008
[447]
Where is Graham's FAQ?
Graham
17-Dec-2008
[448]
the 901 has bluetooth and a 4 hour battery so that's a plus