World: r3wp

but Croquet does.  This makes sense only until something similiar 
can be done in a rebol environment

Yes! a virutal DevCon would really be great!

You mean one of you geniuses can't write a virtual meeting app? : 
) Seriously, that would be a great project.

I had hoped exactly that would happen

But How You Eat Pizza Virtually :)

We have already AltME - what do you need to be it more virtual and 
real-time?

But - there is nothing like personal meeting, unless we one day have 
something like video conferencing in REBOL :-)

I'd say we need a presentation tool that relays layout data to a 
number of people along with streaming audio. That's my biggest issue 
with the experiences we've had with devcon videos.

Yes, just sat through a Microsoft Live Meeting presentation.  It 
was a very nice user experience.

Things I liked, speakers could queue up if they had something to 
contribute, when they were given the floor their bio page would display. 
 There was also a seating plan that showed the status of all people 
logged in by colour coding.  Questions were queued by a moderator 
and people could be given the option to 'raise their hand'.

Ah, Rebol and video. I understand R3 will address this.

yeah but not in time for Devcon2008

www.gotomeeting.com	The best system for virtual meetings I know about.

the thing i don't understand is... what is the point of a virtual 
meeting? we already meet virtually here every day.

Gabriele;  altme has no facial expressions.  Few get how jokey or 
how serious a posting may be.  The eyes and intonations make for 
at least half of the meaning.  It's my personal opinion that people 
can't drive well with cell phones due to the 3.4 kHz audio range; 
too many brain cycles are being used to fill in the missing intonations. 
  It takes a leap of faith in many posts when technical information 
is being discussed.  If people could see the look of fear and confusion 
that I usually express while typing something, I'd feel better that 
I wasn't leading people down the garden path when offering opinions 
and advice; my brain would know that they would know I was talkin' 
out my ass.  :)  So in short; in person is best by far, video is 
a distant second, audio even further down the chain and text way 
down at the bottom.  So given REBOL's awesome international user 
base, if I can't make DevCon, gimme viddies.

Gab, I agree. But for those that can't attend it might be a good 
option.

yes, but then i say, we meet, and allow others to see video stream 
(worked well in France), and call in via skype (just need to make 
sure we have a pc with skype set up ;). 100% virtual is not even 
1% of the fun. ;)

and... i can provide a TeamSpeak server if you want voice. Video 
is unfortunately not that easy.

If you skim the transcript of the Altme group during DevCon2007, 
you can see the frustrations cuuased by the narrow channel between 
the meeting room and the rest of the world.

I think partially because the live feed was not a top priority for 
the organisers

One idea: If 50 people paid USD15 to be Internet Participants at 
 DevCon2008 that could fund a much better channel for them


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I'd go for something low-bandwidth, perhaps relayed from the devcon 
site to rebol.net where the bandwidth is higher for broadcasting. 
I would much rather have reliable text messaging than fuzzy or unclear 
video or audio that drops out once in a while. Hey, that sounds like 
AltME. :-)

at Amiga shows there are radio interviews. for Apple keynotes, since 
Apple stopped broadcasting live video, various sites just update 
an AJAX based site with text and images and it works OK.

Brian, we are different I guess. I also hate talking on a phone, 
since spoken word for me can be hard to understand, but a simple 
line of text can be read again and again until you get it at the 
speed that you can read, not the speed that's dictated at the other 
end. I see a big difference there and my brain works just fine, processing 
text. Perhaps it only comes after 10 years of IRC'ing with lots of 
different people.

I don't really care about video unless it's a tutorial where the 
content is shown in at least DVD quality with a clear voice using 
a studio microphone and the audio is properly synchronized with the 
video. Simple plain text is for me far preferable for anything less 
than that.

You in fact remind be of Radar O'Reilly in MASH who once wrote a 
letter to his mother. He wrote "I write to you very slowly, because 
I know you are not a fast reader." ;-)

:)

I tried the wiki approach to live broadcasting, but may have introduced 
it too late to have it in the attendees' conscienciousness.  Whatever, 
it didn't contain the depth of relayed information I thought it had 
the potential for.  Video is fine, but is fleeting (when it works). 
 Liveblogging may be easier to implement, but then there is little 
structure to information beyond time.

Whichever route, it'll take one or two attendees to dedicate themselves 
to relaying information.

I vote for Brazil

I can arrange everything here at the Convention Bureau

In Brasilia, the capital or in Rio

Brazil would be cool :-)

I vote for Rio, then

Looks like mostly 95% of all people than have to travel quite far.

there are more australian rebol users than other countries after 
the USA and France .. so I would vote Australia ... somewhere.

Melbourne, but I'm biased ;)

I thought Czech had more Rebollers than Australia

Interesting question. Per square km definitely ;)

Yes, would be nice to get the conference on this continent for a 
change.

Antipodean Rebols - I'm sure there is more.
Anton, Ashley, Andrew, Allen, Brett, Graham, Colin, James

and a few more on the mailing list ...

My wife is Tasmanian.. does that count?

More useful than votes for locations would be rought statements of 
intent from potential host.

If there is more than one set of potential hosts, we could vote on 
the best / most likely to succeed :-)

ok. What should be the criterias to be a selected host ?

I'm able to organize really good devcon in Czech Republic. There 
will be two parts: the devcon itself and also cool fun part for a 
group of people who want to stay for couple of days longer and together 
enjoy local sights,  wine cellars(Carl? ;)) etc.

If there is some interest it could be in 2008 or later in 2009, it 
doesn't matter.

CZ sounds good to me.

It might sound surprising, but I am for CZ too :-)

Well, I want to candidate Brazil to be the place.

i'd vote for cz, close from here, and finally i get to meet petr 
;)

Yeah, if you put that way, that would be nice. Do we have an app 
that shows where were all from? I wonder if Terry could whip up us 
something? I recall at one time there was a link to a google maps 
page that posted little balloons.

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