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The Chair now opens the floor for any new business.  These items 
will up for debate

during this second meeting and will be placed in the agenda for the 
Third Meeting
of the esteemed organization.

As before.  The IRUA open meetings will stand for at least 3 days 
(72 hours).

Third Meeting tentatively scheduled for Saturday, 9th of June, 2007, 
16:00 UTC.


The Chair reminds members to please stand and be recognized during 
this meeeting,
with an "Aye, present".

This meeting does not stand adjourned.

Aye, present

I second BTiffin as Secretary

Aye, present

I propose the name IRUA, for its organisational sounding non backronym 
authenticity.

I'll second the IRUA proposal.

This Second Meeting of IRUA is about to close.

To recap

The member count stands at 5.  These names will be announced in the 
Third Meeting

Roll Call.  Informally this count is higher, formally it stands at 
5.


For the First Open Motion, IRUA will be added to the list of possible 
names.


The Second Open Motion remains in Committee.  Options will be tabled 
at the Third

Meeting.  In particular the Appeal for Decision regarding votes will 
be tabled as a

Special Order during the Third Meeting and a Committee report will 
be expected.
 
The Third Motion regarding a Fiscal Committee is closed.


The Fourth Open Motion remains, pending the Appeal for Decision regarding 
voting

rights, privileges and procedures.  The position of Secretary has 
been officially
seconded.  No new names have been entered.


The Fifth Open Motion retains all open Committees.  A draft Constitution 
will,

at the least, be announced to the assembly during the Third Meeting.


There was no progress regarding the Sixth Motion, advertised Home 
Site.  This issue
will carry forward.


The Chair would like to thank all participants.  Discussions in IRUA 
Chat will be

appreciated and a proposal for voting procedures will be posted there 
along with
other Committee efforts.


The Third Meeting is scheduled to begin at 16:00 UTC, Saturday, June 
16th, 2007.

The Second Meeting of the IRUA stands adjourned.

Correction...Third Meeting is Scheduled for Saturday June 9th.  Apologies.

The Third Meeting of the International REBOL User Association is 
called to Order

I move that btiffin act as Chair for this meeting.

Let the Second Meeting minutes be read at http://peoplecards.ca/rebol/iruameetingminutes.2.txt

Roll Call for IRUA interest will continue through this Third Meeting

There is still no Executive Committee, and hence no Officer Reports.

Committee reports include;
Draft Consistution will be tabled during this meeting.
Draft Code of Ethics will be tabled during this meeting.

Draft Rules of Order are still open for discussion.

First Open Motion still includes
Rabble, user.r, RUGGED and REWARD

I would like to propose  R  as a candidate for the official name 
of the associaton


Second Open motion is still in discussion, but a draft proposal on 
votes and quorums
will be tabled during this meeting.

No new names have been proposed for positions of Officers.

The Fifth Open motion, regarding Committees is expecting tabled proposals 
during this
meeting.

In regards to the Sixth Motion, the Chair would like to propose qtask.com 
as a potential
Home Site and will leave the item up for discussion.

As before, this meeting will stand for at least 72 hours.

The floor is now open for new business and open discussion.


Members are once again reminded to show interest with an "Aye Present". 
 Those that

have done so at a previous meeting have already been entered into 
the Roll.

aye, present
second btiffin to chair this meeting.

Point of Information regarding the Sixth Opion Motion...

The important point of the proprietary nature of qtask.com was raised. 
 The Chair has

been informed by the proprietors that any and all individuals that 
show interest will
be invited

Point of Information regarding the Sixth Motion'
Let it be added to the record...

that any and all individuals will be invited...within reason.

Qtask.com (or any site of this nature we may choose as a home) will 
reserve all due rights.

I would like to propose  RCamp  as a candidate name for the association.

aye, present

I would like to ask the chair was he meant by "....within reason"

Within the rules posted by the site...not for us to dictate any special 
terms.

Does that imply restricted entry to membership of IRUA?

In futures, after a ratified constitution, yes that is implied.  
As open as people can
stand 'within reason'.

Personally, I believe that membership should only be restricted should 
a member breach the Code of Ethics

IE Initial membership should be unrestricted.

Yes that is assumed.  Open entry.  Privileged membership.

And it brings up a good point for discussion.  Can an open group 
choose a proprietary

system for home base?  Even if the Code of Ethics is inline?  Should 
any prior history
be an obstacle to entry?

Can an open group choose a proprietary system for home base?  


Surely the answer is yes provided the proprietary system does not 
restrict the group from operating under its rules.

I'm of that opinion as well.  But it does deserve discussion and 
our choices will be up
for vote soon.

Should any prior history be an obstacle to entry?


Personally, I believe that prior history should not be an obstacle 
to entry - what is important is member's behaviour in the group.

Which leads to perhaps not choosing a proprietary system, that may 
have some 'history'

I would agree if the 'history' means that IRUA  cannot operate according 
to the rules it chooses

I would like to propose RCoders as a candidate name for the assocation

I'll second the proposal for RCoders.

Aye Mr. Chairman, present.

Being Canadian, Mr. Chairman, Im sure you're aware of the 'code of 
ethics' regarding debate within the House of Commons, and that simply 
disagreeing with, or simply not desiring to hear the comments of 
fellows is not sufficient grounds to exclude, or even remove a member 
from proceedings.  It is the job of the Chair to decide if conduct 
is befitting or not, given this, I motion.. 

a) That the comments of one Gabriele made here on the 27th of May 
be stricken from the record.  or.. 

b) If not stricken, then provided as proof that utilizing a 3rd party, 
proprietary system can be detrimental to the welfare of this association, 
as it makes clear that said owners have in the past denied access 
at 'their sole discretion', and that this power supersedes the power 
of the chair, and as such, gives the owners of the system MORE power 
than the chair.  


Mr. Chair, it will be a dark day for this association when and if 
these proceedings are controlled by a dictatorship.

Mr. Chairman, I propose "Rebols" as a candiate name for the association.

The Chair has denounced members alluding to motive or personality.


Efforts were taken to deal with 'striking from the record', but with 
no official code

or constitution it was deemed unworkable, at this stage.  As another 
issue with more

than one open motion, challenges to statements are usually lost once 
new business

has been tabled.  This is a rule that will need clarification in 
the Modified Rules of
Order.


The Chair is at fault for directly naming Qtask, but felt as it had 
already been mentioned

by name, that a representative be allowed to interject comment in 
defense...perhaps in

error.  Another issue that will need clarification in the Modified 
Rules is regarding
procedural mistakes by the Chair.


Points regarding use of a proprietary system are an issue that will 
require more debate
and are points well raised and well taken.


The Chair is committed to proper Rules of Order, and will do it's 
utmost to uphold these

principles.  This will be carried out with a due sense of authority 
once a constitution has
been ratified by the assembly.

I'll second Rebols for a possible name for the association.