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[!REBOL2 Releases] Discuss 2.x releases
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BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [642] | Pekr, it's required for secure multi-user use on Windows. Hating it won't change that. No flame wars please - we don't have the time. |
Pekr 29-Dec-2009 [643] | most of the time, I can guarantee you, that users feel lost, once they are supposed to navigate to their docs in file-manager ... |
BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [644] | File placement is easy, and mostly handled by 2.6.3 - the real trick is registry usage. |
Pekr 29-Dec-2009 [645] | BrianH - I am fine with whatever crap windows require. I have my most needed stuff on C:, in !mp3, !REBOL, !Foto etc. dirs. I run as an admin, so I don't care ... |
Graham 29-Dec-2009 [646] | So, if a program that is being installed needs Rebol ... where should it look? |
BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [647] | Right. File placement is a matter of chosing the default folders of the installer, as it does now. You can change those choices. |
Graham 29-Dec-2009 [648] | Python seems to install to c:\python2n\ |
BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [649] | As in almost all cases, Python is a bad example. |
Pekr 29-Dec-2009 [650] | BrianH: so where can users (not admin) safely put his rebol scripts, so that rebol executalbe can write and read from such a directory? We can't do it in program files, but can we do in somewhere on C:\REBOL? |
BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [651] | The trick is registry usage. The folder locations can be looked up in the registry.at runtime, as long as those registry settings are in the right location of the registry. I'll have those exact locations Tuesday evening. |
Pekr 29-Dec-2009 [652] | ... or only user profile dirs is the right placement? |
Graham 29-Dec-2009 [653x2] | c:\rebol is out ... unless you write enable |
d:\rebol is fine though :) | |
BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [655x2] | Pekr, it's not abot where the user can pt their user scripts, it's about the desktop files and such. File associations manage the user script issue. |
User scripts can go wherever you like. | |
Graham 29-Dec-2009 [657x2] | will the installer be written in rebol? |
Or, will you use a standard installer script ? | |
BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [659x2] | It is already. |
It's in the SDK source. | |
Graham 29-Dec-2009 [661x2] | And how then will it cope with Windows 64? |
32 bit programs can't write to the windows 64 bit registry | |
Pekr 29-Dec-2009 [663] | BrianH - but when user script is run, REBOL changes current dir to that of the script placement, no? And the script might require to create some file at that destination. I know that temp files will go to some deep cache dir, but what if script wants to write to the dir of the script placement? |
BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [664x3] | It will go in the WOW64 "Program Files (x86)" directory. |
Pekr, that is a runtime issue, not affected by the installer at all. | |
For R2, all that matters for install is the View desktop and file associations. | |
Graham 29-Dec-2009 [667] | If you have the installer all sorted out .. we should move on to something else! |
Pekr 29-Dec-2009 [668] | yes, we should all move onto R3 :-) |
Janko 29-Dec-2009 [669] | I can only SAY WOOOW on this release, I am still a strong R2 user and this is much more than appreciated! |
BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [670] | Yup Graham. For me that should be a little sleep - I have to wake up again in 2 hours to go to a customer site. Pekr, stay on topic :) |
Janko 29-Dec-2009 [671] | Graham: thanks a lot for gmail related code, this was big hinge in some stuff I was planning |
BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [672] | Janko, whooo, yay! |
Graham 29-Dec-2009 [673x2] | Brian, I would like to see prot-http.r extended ... since googledoc, and amazon are big topics for some of us |
I wrote some changes .. they just need to be optimized by someone. | |
BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [675] | By the way, the reason we can consider getting the installer in this release at all is because the hard part has already been done. If any of the rest of you have tested patches that don't break anything, get in touch. If they don't make it into 2.7.7, they might make it into 2.7.8 next month :) |
Pekr 29-Dec-2009 [676] | BrianH: you have access to sources? Who can do native changes? Only Carl? Because if so, I hope there is not much of changes. I wish Carl finish R3, not to spend much time on further R2 enhancements in native code .... |
Graham 29-Dec-2009 [677] | Here's my patches to http-prot.r .. http://rebol.wik.is/Protocols/Http I have used it for a while and they do not break anything AFAIK ... |
BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [678x2] | Graham, once we switch to the community development infrastructure next month such changes will be more possible. Yes, that means the R3 chat vcs too, so get your account and start learning to use it. If you think it sucks, write your own client - it's not hard. |
I'll look at your patches :) | |
Pekr 29-Dec-2009 [680x2] | I also remember some patches to http by Oldes or someone else, I just don't remember details ... |
BrianH: how can you write your own client to R3 Chat? Can you actually use its command set? I mean - create a gui, and "send" command like "n", "lm", etc. to console in the background? | |
BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [682] | Pekr, you'd be surprised how much we can fix in mezzanine. Nonetheless, it is our job (well, mine) to minimize the impact that R2 development has on Carl's R3 work. We're keeping the native changes to a minimum, but the big part is testing and coordination. |
Henrik 29-Dec-2009 [683] | The UI should really be split out, if it's not already done in R3 chat. But don't forget that we already have bots for R3 chat. |
BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [684] | Own client to R3 chat: The interface between the client and server is simple RPC. The UI is split out already. |
Graham 29-Dec-2009 [685] | I think we're off topic |
BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [686] | Yes, thank you. |
Graham 29-Dec-2009 [687] | Henrik ... is that memory leak still present? |
Henrik 29-Dec-2009 [688x2] | Graham, I believe so. |
I've avoided creating UIs with too much networking with open ports. | |
BrianH 29-Dec-2009 [690] | R2/Forward location: R3 chat 837 - Community/Libraries/R2-Forward |
Graham 29-Dec-2009 [691] | Fix memory leak, fix installer, update http, back port some r3 mezzanines ... and parse improvements, and we're done. |
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