World: r3wp

Yeah, and then monthly releases

How about my help function in 2.7.8 ?

It's a modified R2 help http://rebol.wik.is/Man

We had daylight savings change this morning.  R2 shows still as +12, 
but R3 shows as +13.  Can R2 be fixed?

Rambo bug for +13 already exists:
   http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/rambo.r?id=4302&
Now all it needs is fixing :)

hmm.. I think that's different

This is an error I posted back in 2003 to the tracker .. http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/rambo.r?id=3174&

well not sure actually what I posted ... but my name is raised

hmm... 2003 .. that was like 4 laptops ago

Ok, what happened here???

Type desktop to start the Viewtop.
>> now
== 26-Sep-2010/13:48:48+12:00
>> now
== 26-Sep-2010/20:13:06+13:00
>>

somehow rebol2 switched timezones ... without leaving my home!

R3 uses a totally different approach to solve such issues completely, 
which I am not sure is easily backportable to R2

Exponent with a negative number gives error on R2, I've submitted 
as a bug report on rambo: -4784
>> -2 ** -4
** Math Error: Positive number required
Fixed in R3.

REBOL 2.7.8 (In Development)
http://www.rebol.com/docs/changes-2-7.html

Carl, is this still in development ?

It has been put on hold for a bit in favor of R3 development, but 
not canceled.

It is important, because R2 is the only official professionnal product.

R2 is important for other reasons, but not as much for that reason. 
Most people don't buy R2, even in SDK form.

R2 is currently in maintenance mode, with an emphasis on backwards 
compatibility. Sometimes we get new backported features from R3, 
but for the most part it is only bug fixes. The main project is R3 
now.

That's ok, but in profressionnal world even if the main project is 
R3, R2 is the main product. And you need to see bug fixes, supports 
and so forth.

You need compatibility with Windows7, new version of Linux and MacOSX.
And what about Windows Phone ?

Windows Phone 7 won't get a REBOL version without a ground-up rewrite, 
as the platform doesn't allow native code. Older Windows Mobile releases 
never were supported, though R3's host kit could in theory support 
them.

Most of what is needed for Windows 7 compatibility was also needed 
for Windows 2000 compatibility (I reported it then), and mostly in 
the /View installer and registry usage. That installer is in the 
community-supported portion of R2, so if you download the SDK source 
you can take a look. The installer changes are intended for inclusion 
in 2.7.8, as the changes doc indicates.

Since a stable GUI based release of R3 is far off still, I agree 
that R2 should be updated

It shouldn't take that long .. I'm particularly interested in the 
date parsing bug in odbc

The community of customers who *paid* for the SDK need continued 
support

I also agree. It shouldn't take that long, given availability of 
developer resources.

There are other bugs in ODBC support as well, particularly in support 
for datatypes of recent MS SQL versions.

I'm not sure developer resources makes any difference since this 
is all closed source

maybe Carl can finally open source it ?

Ask Carl. Some of the source is not his to open, afaik. Much less 
of the R3 native code is licensed commercial code.

Closed or open, developer resources are still limited, mostly by 
financial issues.

Carl has offered several times to release the odbc sources if anyone 
were prepared to fix things

Cool.

Just needs someone who can fix the sources

Do we have a list of know bugs of R2 ?

Transparancy (?) is important. Not seeking for a problem, if the 
problem is already known...

Yes, there's a lack of developper... Maybe the community loose developper 
because of an R3 always delayed...

You need compatibility with Windows7
 - I do not miss compatibility with Windows 7, do you?

Nicolas, there is a beta r2 world but I think the bugs should all 
be listed here as well

For R2 bugs we have RAMBO:
http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/rambo.r

The last message in the bugs channel of the R2-beta world are from 
Sept

And from the 2.7.8 channel .. from April

I run Windows 7, so I am keenly aware of the need for compatibility, 
especially since those bugs also affect Vista for the most part.

We have been discussing things in the open here in this group instead 
of the R2-Beta world (which is why this group is not web-public.

The problem with R2 bugfixing is, that only Carl can patch the code.. 
and Carl is in a cave mode again... or travelling around the world 
:-)

Cave mode. Just heard from him. We'll be back to R2 development soon 
:)

Where is R2-Beta world ?

on AltME

so it's apport from rebol3 ?

is it still usefull to have a R2-Beta world or move into a group 
of rebol3 ?
How to join R2-Beta ?

It was used for chat about R2 bug fixing, but Carl is not visiting 
it anymore.

So a new group group in rebol3 world ?

I think that Carl, Gabriele or BrianH can give you R2-beta access. 
If you need to report R2 bug, you can use any (not R3 related) group 
here and submit it into Rambo.