World: r3wp

very odd .. I deleted the comments in on-application-start and it 
works now!

I can only guess that I didn't complete shut down and restart Cheyenne

You should just "Reset Workers", it's enough to reload all the webapps. 
You should also consider running your dev instance of Cheyenne with 
-w 0 command-line option to make it reload all apps on each request.

I'm looking at the code in RSP.r and I can't figure out how you could 
raise such internal error. Can you please describe me the simplest 
way to reproduce that error?

reload all apps on each request?

The first thing I did was create a web app with no app-init.r

When I tried to access the login.rsp page I got that error.

yes, the -w 0 option asks Cheyenne to maintain a pool of 0 worker 
process and launch one only when required (killing it when the request 
is completed). That has the side-effect or "reloading" all webapps 
and cleaning any corrupted data in memory produced by user-scripts.

what impact does that have on performance?

it sounds like it would slow it down to cgi ?

yes, but you use it for the development only, not for production. 
I'm working with big RSP webapps and the slowdown with that option 
is barely noticeable.

oh .. ok

I've removed %app-init.r from %www/testapp in Cheyenne's archive, 
started a fresh Cheyenne session, logged in http://localhost/testapp
and I can't reproduce your error. I only keep receiving this kind 
of (normal) error: 

##RSP Script Error: 

	URL  = /testapp/login.rsp
	File = app-init.r


 ** Access Error : Cannot open /C/Dev/Cheyenne/www/testapp/app-init.r 
	** Where: rsp-script 
	** Near:  [init: load join root %/app-init.r]

I've removed -w 0 option also to mimic your config, I'll try putting 
app-init.r back now.

Still no success in reproducing your error...

I renamed app-init.r in my svn version, started cheyenne and don't 
get any error

looks like the cheyenne I'm using is a build from middle of last 
year

You should get some if you try to use any session object functions 
or access any session/content variables.

mid-2009? That's damn old :-)

it let me run the test rsp script

old .. yeah, but since I haven't had any issues, I don't change the 
server apps

That's usually a good rule.

So, I guess no point trying to produce this error since I am using 
an old server build

Right, there's more than 90 SVN revisions since july-2009...

Is anyone using Cheyenne in an environment where they also use Ladislav's 
INCLUDE? The RSP handler has its own global INCLUDE func, which I 
think will conflict.

I am not, but last time I "felt" an Include conflict, it was very 
easy to resolve, in fact

I'm sure it can be resolved. And if someone else has done it in such 
a way that you and Doc approve, I'll gladly borrow from them. :-)

Gregg: 'include is not used internally by RSP engine, so you can 
freely redefine it, like that for example (not tested but should 
work) :

in %app-init.r :

on-application-start: does [

 set 'rsp-include :include 	;-- use 'rsp-include now for RSP script 
 inclusion

 unprotect 'include	;-- 'include is mark as protected by the RSP engine
	do %include.r 	              ;-- Ladislav's include script
]

So, this is a local 'do and not the '*do ?

Depends if you want to keep that local to your webapp or share it 
for all your webapps (using do/global or *do in that case).

So, yes, it's a local 'do in my example above.

Thanks Doc.

Thanks again Doc, that lets me run things using INCLUDE. Now I'm 
on to the next issue, which is that it doesn't work (i.e. INCLUDE 
gets messed up) after running any kind of RSP. I'll dig in when I 
get a chance and tell you what I find.

did you try *do ?

Gregg: I'll give it a try today to see what's going wrong.

Graham, no I didn't. 

Doc, not critical by any means, but thanks.

Does anybody has init.d script for cheyenne?

ok.. I'm not sure if this is the best way, but it seems to be working 
for me:
#! /bin/sh
# /etc/init.d/cheyenne
#

# Some things that run always
#touch /var/lock/blah

STARTSCRIPT=/web/start-ch.sh

# Carry out specific functions when asked to by the system
case "$1" in
  start)
    echo "Starting Cheyenne "
    $STARTSCRIPT
    RETVAL=$?
    ;;
  stop)
    echo "Stopping Cheyenne"

    ps aux | awk '/cheyenne/ && !/worker/ && !/bin/ {print "kill -9 "$2}' 
    | sh
    RETVAL=$?
    ;;
  reload)
    echo "Reloading Cheyenne"

    ps aux | awk '/cheyenne/ && !/worker/ && !/bin/ {print "kill -HUP 
    "$2}' | sh
    RETVAL=$?
    ;;
  reset)
    echo "Reseting Cheyenne"

    ps aux | awk '/cheyenne/ && !/worker/ && !/bin/ {print "kill -USR1 
    "$2}' | sh
    RETVAL=$?
    ;;
  restart)
    echo "Stopping Cheyenne"

    ps aux | awk '/cheyenne/ && !/worker/ && !/bin/  {print "kill -9 
    "$2}' | sh
    echo "Starting Cheyenne"
    $STARTSCRIPT
    RETVAL=$?
    ;;
  *)

    echo "Usage: /etc/init.d/cheyenne {start|stop|reload|reset|restart}"
    exit 1
    ;;
esac

exit 0

Gregg: my solution was missing a 'unset call too (tested with Cheyenne 
sample webapp, works ok) : 

on-application-start: does [
	set 'rsp-include :include
	unprotect 'include

 unset 'include				;-- this one is required to allow %include.r to 
 load properly
	do/global %include.r
	set 'include-path [%//dev/Cheyenne/www/testapp/]
]

Oldes: we have one here somewhere, but I can't find it right now. 
Anyway: 
 

1) "kill -9" is not a good way to stop Cheyenne, a simple "kill" 
is the right way (this signal is caught by Cheyenne to clean up things 
and exit properly).


2) "ps aux | awk ..." is not required, Cheyenne stores its main PID 
in /var/run/cheyenne.pid (or /tmp/cheyenne.pid in revisions < r90). 
Just read this PID and send all signals to that process only. Watch 
out if you run it on port <> 80, you'll find the port-id inserted 
in the PID file name.

The problem with the PID file is, that I was not able to read it 
because of permisions. But I may check it again.

The PID file should have the same rights as the Cheyenne process, 
let me see if this works as it should.

The PID file is still own by root in that case. It's readable by 
other users but not writable (Cheyenne can't delete it on exiting). 
I need to fix that.

It seems that the PID file location recent change was a bad move, 
/var/run is by default only writable by root...To workaround that, 
user should create a sub-folder as root and then chown it to the 
application user to allow it to write PID files there : http://serverfault.com/questions/159334/what-permission-to-write-pid-file-in-var-run

Kaj: so, this means that an install script would be required for 
Cheyenne to be able to run on UNIX, this is not something that I 
want for Cheyenne unless really necessary. Do you see any simple 
solution to that issue? If not, I'll revert it to write in /tmp by 
default and add a config option to let users choose alternative location 
when desired.

I'll have to do some more digging Doc, and maybe see what do* does 
since I haven't tried that. I'll actually read some source if need 
be. ;-) 


What I saw with your new change is something I also saw once with 
the previous approach. Plain CGI worked fine until an RSP was run, 
then the CGI failed, *then* both the test RSP and test RSP web app 
started returning with garbage at the top of the page. More garbage 
each time, like a buffer was being added to. Then the plain CGI worked 
again. Doing a reset on the workers solves the garbage problem.


My Cheyenne EXE is from 2009 so I'll check for a new one before doing 
anything else.

Also, the version I have still says "> Catched Error <" which might 
read better as "> Caught Error <". That may be in recent versions.

From 2009 -> more than 90 revisions since then, these issues have 
been solved a long time ago :-)

Are you using the official binary v0.9.19?

It looks like I really need to make a new official release with new 
binaries.

The EXE doesn't list the Cheyenne version, and I dont think the server-software 
result gives that either, so what's the best way to check?