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[!Cheyenne] Discussions about the Cheyenne Web Server
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Dockimbel 9-Jul-2010 [8358] | if it works on port 80 and not 82, the issue is probably not Cheyenne-related |
Terry 9-Jul-2010 [8359x2] | The port 80 vs 82 was a guess. |
One of the problems is debugging this stuff in Chrome... not sure how to watch the traffic.. need some network sniffing tools i suppose. | |
Graham 9-Jul-2010 [8361] | doc, is curecode still under active development ? Is there a release 1 on the horizon? |
Terry 9-Jul-2010 [8362] | The exact same code is working fine on another server.. move to here and *poof* |
Graham 9-Jul-2010 [8363] | Is windows 7 your target platform? |
Terry 9-Jul-2010 [8364x3] | I use 'em all baby.. I .. use .. them... all. |
well, except for Mac | |
Apple had their chance back in the early 80's.. back then you had a choice, forfeit the downpayment on a house and buy a Mac, or get a clone. | |
Dockimbel 9-Jul-2010 [8367] | Graham, curecode development is currently on hold, as all my REBOL related projects (except Cheyenne for bugfixing and minor improvements) |
Graham 9-Jul-2010 [8368x3] | That's what I feared ... |
So, is there going to be a groovy version?? | |
Or is it Scala ? | |
Dockimbel 9-Jul-2010 [8371x2] | hehe, probably not groovy, I didn't yet choose my next programming language...JS is currently my favorite for frontends thought. |
Scala: too many java dependencies, so not for me. | |
Graham 9-Jul-2010 [8373] | I tried to install Jira .. but it no longer supports Firebird so I was looking for something else |
Dockimbel 9-Jul-2010 [8374] | I'm still wondering if I should build my own language (probably REBOL-derivated) or dive in a mainstream one... |
Graham 9-Jul-2010 [8375x2] | Well, Jira works fine under Windows .. but Linux requires more knowledge |
Well, there's Karl's clone ... | |
Dockimbel 9-Jul-2010 [8377] | I've heard good things from Jira's users |
Graham 9-Jul-2010 [8378] | and of course there's freebell ... |
Terry 9-Jul-2010 [8379] | ahh.. ok.. working now |
Dockimbel 9-Jul-2010 [8380] | Graham, yes I know that project, but I have my own unreleased prototype clone kernels (at least one is more advanced than Boron or Orca) |
Graham 9-Jul-2010 [8381] | Looks like Frank did a lot of work on Freebell .. |
Terry 9-Jul-2010 [8382] | trying to hammer this out, i fixed the original problem, but introduced other bugs. |
Dockimbel 9-Jul-2010 [8383] | Freebell is just a proof of concept |
Graham 9-Jul-2010 [8384] | something that runs on the JVM would be great ... |
Dockimbel 9-Jul-2010 [8385] | (a good working one, Frank did a good job) |
Terry 9-Jul-2010 [8386] | this stuff needs some debugging tools |
Dockimbel 9-Jul-2010 [8387] | Graham: the jvm is just a target like .net or any cpu... |
Terry 9-Jul-2010 [8388] | however, still not working from host.. prob a windows 7 hostname thing. |
Graham 9-Jul-2010 [8389] | sure .. a virtual cpu |
Dockimbel 9-Jul-2010 [8390x2] | Terry, try to debug from the rebol console if possible |
Graham: what's stopping me to work on such clone project is just the business model, hard to earn money from that... | |
Graham 9-Jul-2010 [8392x2] | sure .. no $ in languages .. Carl has proved that |
But it's the long term security of having your own custom environment I guess | |
Dockimbel 9-Jul-2010 [8394] | derivated products like an IDE could be sold, but it will be hard to compete with zillions of other programming languages anyway... |
Graham 9-Jul-2010 [8395] | or we could start a bounty for rebol on the JVM :) |
Terry 9-Jul-2010 [8396] | Doc, it's the same prob.. disconnecting at the client .. Cheyenne isn't even aware of the disconnection. |
Dockimbel 9-Jul-2010 [8397x3] | Graham, without money, it's just not worth it, you need a lot of libraries to make a programming language useful, no way one man only can build all the required ones...but if it can generate enough incomes, you can pay some developers for that. |
Terry: when he issue is either related to the brower or the OS | |
*then | |
Terry 9-Jul-2010 [8400] | so it connects, C (short for Cheyenne.. don't know why I didn't think of THAT before) prints to the console "connected" .. client disconnects and no response from C |
Graham 9-Jul-2010 [8401] | But if you run on the JVM or .net, then won't you have access to the libraries then? |
Dockimbel 9-Jul-2010 [8402x2] | Terry: enable verbose mode in C starting it with -vvvvv to see if C see the request |
Graham: sure, but either you build an abstraction layer other each java lib (using a scheme or a dialect), or you'll just use these libs with the java syntax, so better use java or scala directly. | |
Terry 9-Jul-2010 [8404] | oops my bad, C does notice the disconnect.. the function was empty :( |
Dockimbel 9-Jul-2010 [8405] | Graham: without a tight and higher level integration of lower level libs, the benefits of a higher language like REBOL will be reduced greatly while you'll pay the performance penality. |
Terry 9-Jul-2010 [8406] | The world has enough languages. |
Graham 9-Jul-2010 [8407] | So, why do they have languages such as JRuby which in some instances can be faster than C Ruby? |
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