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I'd chip in

That will stress doc out!! LOL

I'm up for $20

We can now run it for 2 months!

Did Carl see it when it was discussed to change host?

Richard offered a free host .. so it was not discussed.  however 
Richard has now gone awol

If I can get 12 people .. viz. a year .. I'll start the process of 
ordering a slice.

I'm going to suggest ubuntun server as the OS.

Ubuntu

At that price, it seems like a steal. The question down the road 
is, who is stealing from who. :-)

Well, we could use EC2 ... but that's $70/month

we would have to have someone who is very intimate wth Cheyenne to 
run the Cheyenne side.

All my stuff is hosted on http://www.webarama.com.au/and they've 
been pretty amenable to my other requests. Is it just a case of getting 
them to "install" REBOL for me much as Perl is? If so, which version 
of REBOL do I need? Can I get away with /base?

what about a DB?

core ... and just place it in /bin directory

the $20 slice includes just 256MB of RAM

256mb is heaps

for DB too?

sure ...

we can easily apt-get mysql

what were you thinking of running?

don't have anything specific at this time - just thinking ahead

the good thing is .. you just pay a litle more to get more ram

how much more?

price, I mean

http://www.slicehost.com/

Ashley: If you intend to run Cheyenne on port 80, it requires root 
privileges, will your ISP allow REBOL or encapped Cheyenne to run 
as root? (There's an option in Cheyenne to "su" to another uid/gid 
but it was never tested in production).

Graham, I would recommend Linode over Slicehost.

I have used both. Linode offers you much more flexibility in controlling 
your VPS. For example, you can have multiple disk images at the same 
time (although only one can be active).

Also, Linode provides more RAM and disk space for the same price, 
and in my experience has somewhat better performance.

http://www.linode.com/features.cfm

Interesting.... but raid 1 vs raid 10

Have you tried both?

yes

I'm easy ...

Even raid 10 is no guarantee....

Pity they don't seem to take paypal ...

A colleague of mine showed me an Object Relational Mapping product 
that generates a series of DLL for .net. (Abstracts the database 
tables as objects with methods for inserts, updates, deletes, joins, 
etc..) I don't know if I am a fan of such a tool but I was wondering 
if anyone is doing something similar with rebol or if this type of 
functionality is built in Cheyenne. Is it possible to provide abstraction 
of the databases in Cheyenne using a series of RSP's, web services, 
ORM technology? What's the best approach for enterprise portal development 
with Rebol?

Hm, I have a very small data abstraction library that uses a prototype 
for a database, currently file-based - but it's not very ENTERPRISE 
:-)

Kaj can you describe the benefit. I have seen a few sites that are 
for ORM and others against.

Oh, one of the aspects of my library that make it not enterprise 
is that I'm not doing object-relational mappings. :-) I'm staying 
away from both as much as possible

They're both technologies with too much overhead, and mapping one 
to the other makes it worse

In general, every time you have to glue different technologies together 
you have an impedance mismatch, so if it can be avoided it's worth 
it

Abstracting data access is useful in many cases, though. For one 
thing, you could switch between a light-weight, native REBOL implementation 
and a heavier implementation using some other technology such as 
a relational or object-relational database

I'm using one REBOL prototype object for every database, because 
it allows to store state

For example, I could use that to implement caching in the database 
object later, or have different implementations optimised for different 
uses, without changing the applications that access the data

That's the principle behind RoughCut too, using ports as the abstraction 
layer...

I haven't looked into that yet; I should someday

How big is RoughCut?

240~ lines not including QM core dependencies.