World: r3wp

Have you tried to define a webapp inside another webapp?

no, i have 1 webapp only now, but let me try in an incognito window

Nested webapps are not supported, the resulting behaviour is undefined.

i was merging multiple webapps under the same vhost, so it mush have 
been some leftover stuff

any example how do u test pages behind a session?

im trying curl -D- -d 'login=test&pass=letmein' -c jar http://localhost:8080/app/login.rsp

but subsequent curl -D- -c jar http://localhost:8080/app/some.html 
still gives me 302 to login.rsp

only session variables are safe?  I must have missed that in the 
docs!

i'd be interested in looking into the sessions during runtime too.. 
can i do it on the cheyenne console by pressing escape?

any example how do u test pages behind a session?

 You shouldn't use AUTH keyword if you don't want the redirection 
 to a login page.

GrahamC: I think it should be explained in the new wiki pages.

Dockimbel: i want the authentication. im just asking how can i test 
it programmatically easily. any idea whats wrong w the curl command 
lines?

i'd be interested in looking into the sessions during runtime too.. 
can i do it on the cheyenne console by pressing escape?
You can access them in 3 different ways:


1) if run from sources, escape in the console, then enter: probe 
uniserve/services/httpd/mod-list/mod-rsp/sessions/queue. Type do-event 
when you want to resume Cheyenne.


2) run the %clients/rconsole.r from the source archive, you will 
have a remote console connected to your local Cheyenne process (try 
on prompt: netstat)


3) add this to the config file in globals section: persist [sessions]. 
When you want to look to the sessions, just stop Cheyenne process, 
a .rsp-sessions file is created holding the session objects.

onetom: sorry, I am not fluent in curl, I need to look for man pages 
for every options...Can't you use REBOL http client for testing?

sure, i can use. i was asking for an example as i how do u do it 
usually

i saw u r using rebol mostly, so i was expecting some rebol example

Does curl handle cookies automatically?

thats whats -c is for

it maintains cookies in a jar

Have you looked into the request/response logs from Cheyenne?

thats what im not sure how to handle w a little code in rebol, that's 
why i was asking u; thought u need have some examples in ur toolbox

yes, it's not sending the cookie as i would expect on the 2nd run

$ cat jar
# Netscape HTTP Cookie File
# http://curl.haxx.se/rfc/cookie_spec.html
# This file was generated by libcurl! Edit at your own risk.


#HttpOnly_guan-huat     FALSE   /       FALSE   0       RSPSID  MTXVGMVOMYMVGDZKFURKPQKK

i will read up on curl, im just asking how would YOU do it from rebol

You should try to send a GET request first on the login.rsp page.

I'm using either REBOL HTTP client for testing or my own HTTP async 
client (using UniServe) that can handle cookies. But I never need 
to test my webapps programmatically (at least not so far).

okay, thx

When I need to debug an HTTP communication, I either look into Cheyenne 
reques/response logs or I use firebug.

Here how it goes with REBOL native HTTP client: http://piratepad.net/KkvkZ9AtME
 (see at bottom)

my bad. seems like i should use -b to read the cookies. -c just writes 
them...

You should stick with REBOL HTTP client, using this patch to add 
transparent cookie support: http://www.rebol.org/view-script.r?script=my-http.r

i think i was using that once. it's just not default in rebol... 
:/ curl however is present on every machine i have access to...

so it's worth learning.

i was a wget user earlier, but since macs come w curl and i can easily 
apt-get install curl and even syllable comes w curl, i don't give 
a fuck anymore how an inefficient bloatware is curl, im still trying 
to use it and only it :)

my-http is nice though. i wish there would be a guide for all these 
protocol extensions.. there are a couple of half-baked versions of 
them... :/

curl -D- -d 'login=test&pass=letmein' -c jar http://localhost:8080/login.rsp
curl -D- -b jar -c jar http://localhost:8080/some.html
worked, btw

Curl is not on Windows, REBOL is.

http://curl.haxx.se/download.html

Protocol extensions: right, they could have been listed somewhere 
on REBOL web sites.

it's actually available for a lot more platforms than rebol nowadays

Curl: I didn't know it was so widespread.

but of course the lack of proper console under windows makes the 
rebol solution more attractible.

btw, let me micro-interview you here: why the hell are u still using 
windows!? especially for development? :)

I think I posted some code using rebol client to login to session

u know if rebol would come w a nicer header dump, cookie, https and 
url encode/decode support by default, i would advocate it as a curl 
replacement probably... :/

maybe an extension script would be enough, which anyone can remember, 
like http://json.org/json.r

pff.. my-http is not really transparent...

>> do http://www.rebol.org/download-a-script.r?script-name=my-http.r

connecting to: www.rebol.orgScript: "patched HTTP/HTTPS protocol 
with cookies support" (18-Aug-2006)
== none
>> trace/net on
>> read http://localhost:8080/testapp/login.rsp

URL Parse: none none localhost none testapp/ login.rsp** Script Error: 
querying has no value
** Near: http-command: either querying ["HEAD"] ["GET"]

my-http might not have been upgraded for latest REBOL versions.

http://cheyenne-server.org/wiki/En/Sandbox
i distilled what we just talked about recently.

dunno which page should be the best for hosting such info, so im 
just braindumping here for later organization

btw, let me micro-interview you here: why the hell are u still using 
windows!? especially for development? :)


I consider that GUI are an improvement over CLI that make my life 
easier and computers simpler and more fun to use. I stick with Windows 
as my main platform because I never got used to Mac OS UI (tried 
for a few weeks, but gave up rapidly) and I found the other UNIX 
GUI less "efficient" than Windows. Also I found Windows to be quite 
transparent for my work, it just doesn't get in my way as other OSes 
tend to do, so I can focus on my work and forgot about the rest (especially 
since Vista days, I am now a very happy Seven user).


I must also add that I was an Amiga and BeOS user for more than a 
decade and spent all my college days on AIX, X-Windows and SunOS.

X-Windows => X-Window ;-)

:) thanks. interesting.

i was doing DOS, TurboVision, then tried Win3.0. used Turbo Pascal 
in 2 dos windows under Win3.1, programmed serial equipement with 
Delphi 1.0 under Win95, but then i just fell in love w the fvwm2 
theme of icewm and the big virtual desktop which even worked on trident 
8900 isa cards, using suse linux. i was forced using windows until 
the xp version and i even saw delphi 4.0.

no windows interface can compete with icewm with autofocus and saying 
this as someone who still can handle windows without a mouse faster 
than anyone else i know.

i found vista and win7 particularly disgusting. those dim windows 
w huge decorations just make me annoyed.
im the fullscreen terminal window in black&green kinda guy :)

i want console in web browsers too. i think lisp machines were great 
examples that how the character based interface can benefit from 
graphical capabilities.

plan9's acme is also a nice example; although i never had the chance 
to use it for anything real. never really seen an expert using it 
either...

btw, this is how im listening to netradio rightnow:
$ mplayer http://lounge-radio.com/listen128.m3u

and the good thing is, i could do the very same under windows, while 
i had my windows netbook

hmm.. cookies are accumlating again... Cookie: RSPSID=GWKAQXFYMANHFHNXLXXKVVWL; 
RSPSID=VDWMLITKUVGDAFQBHJHHCQDH

but the app still works. am i confusing it somehow, by restarting 
cheyenne... but im closing the tab and reopening it too...

this /favicon.ico pollutes the output... how could i get rid of it?