World: r3wp

and you are sure that you haven't got multiple installations of Mozilla 
and accidentally plopped it into the wrong one?

Pretty sure .... though I did recently re-install firefox (along 
with the rest of Windoze) but installed it into the same folder as 
my previous version.

ScottT that's really interesting....

Mozilla Firefox plugin seems to be working ok for me.

ScottT: Hmmmmm..............

...a thousand thoughts rolling around at once....

If there was a way to make the plugin load up an out-of-process EXE 
rather than an in-process DLL, and if we could load up a new REBOL 
EXE for each new instance of the plugin.....we might be able to solve 
a whole lot of problems at once......for example, multiple instances....

wouldn't that be a security hole?

Yeah, just what I was giong to say. All this window jumping out of 
the browser doesn't seem like the proper way to do it.

Or take security/licensing......we could have the plugin DLL automatically 
download the correct version EXE (View/ViewPro/Command/etc.) based 
on the version the script requires (so the initial download could 
be quite small, with a "download as needed" architecture)

If it's slow, I think it's bad luck.

Yes, just like Google video urges you to download the Google player.

No.....not a security hole. Acrobat works that way.

It would be slow only if you had to relay events.

but why exactly is once instance at a time a problem? why is this 
limitation there?

If you let the EXE manage its own window in the plugin client area, 
it's not a problem.

The plugin has to be signed, so there is trust there, even with these 
techniques.

Henrik: I can't go into specifics of the REBOL DLL, but essentially, 
its a threading issue. Each new instance of the plugin DLL loads 
in a seperate thread, and REBOL is not multi-threaded yet. Carl may 
be able to provide more specifics as to the limitations within REBOL.

Mmm.. ok then. Optimize away :)

I have  problems with the plugin.


After visiting the test page, if I go to other sites and later load 
the test page again,...the plugin does not load

So, with a DLL architecture, you have to load only one instance of 
the REBOL DLL, and then modify the DLL to support multi-threading. 
But with a multiple EXE architecture, it is essentially like REBOL 
is now.....one EXE per instance.

yeksoon: known bug.

Of course, this is all speculation, I dont know if it is even possible. 
But just thoughts.....

For me the plugin download on the page Josh sent a link for. However, 
when I try to run the examples, none of them will work. This is on 
IE.

Lous, what is the error/problem?

What happens when you go to the examples?

I just get an outline of a box.

do you see a red X?

PhilB: make sure you've got it in the right plugins directory. if 
you go to about:plugins, it should appear in the list. make sure 
you coped both the DLL and XPT.

Louis: try a restart of your computer. that may free up any IE resources 
that are in use.

No red x, but a window pops up which says: Show on face in closed 
window.

Hmm, that seems like the plugin is installed properly, but there's 
an error with the script you are trying.

Did you try the test page at http://www.rebol.net/plugin/tests/test.html?

That window pops up even before I click on a link to a demo, but 
again when I click on a demo.

No, here: http://www.rebol.net/plugin/demos/

For those still unaware: New users of the plugin should visit the 
two checklists for Plugin 1.3.2 bugs and the checklist for Plugin 
1.3.3 ideas. Feel free to add new bugs/ideas.

OK, it works here: http://www.rebol.net/plugin/tests/test.html

But that is not the link on the page you gave us.

Louis: it sounds like the demo scripts are messed up in some way. 
I apologize.

I am glad to see this working. I have a use for the plugin.

we'll look into that.....

Lous: one quick question. What is the version # you see when you 
go to http://www.rebol.net/plugin/tests/test.html?

Louis: It will say something like this: ViewDLL 2.6.2.3.1

1.2.47.3.1

Lous: Ah, OK. You have an old version of the plugin still installed.....did 
you uninstall the old plugin before installing the new one?

No. How do I do that?

Louis: The plug-in extracts to the "Downloaded Program Files" directory 
in Windows. This is usually at C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files. 
To uninstall the plug-in, go to that directory, right-click on "REBOL/Plugin 
Object" and click "Remove".

OK, it works now!  Thanks, Josh.

Lots of things are starting to come together for rebol. I am glad 
for that. I have never regretted switching to rebol.

REBOL I believe has a great future.

All rebol lacks for me right now is unicode support, which I need 
badly.