World: r3wp

I just tried to install the latest plugin for FireFox. I manually 
removed all previous version files but the automatic installation 
didn't work. I managed to get it working after I downloaded the whole 
instalation page locally and run it from my harddisk...very strange. 
Does anyone have simmilar problems? (I'm running Firefox 1.5.0.4 
on WinXP SP1)

Ah, found the problem.

The instalation popup window is not opening when you have set options->content->always 
warn when trying install new plugin (this is rough translation as 
I'm using Czech FireFox) and you don't have added www.rebol.com in 
'trusted servers' in this option dialog.

Maybe this could be noted on the instalation page?

BTW it is interesting that Flash doesn't need such settings as I 
was able to install Flash plugin without having the flash server 
in the 'allowed servers'. Maybe they are using different instalation 
technique?

I think it is in the instructions.  I remember doing this.

Ah yes! You are right :) Sorry, have to read it better next time 
:)

but you're still right that flash does not require this.

Perhaps they have some special dispensation?

Maybe it is because it is 'official plugin' registered on firefox 
site?

I think Rebol should 'officially register' once it gets to release 
state.

well... that won't be a while on account of the delay

hm :/

Yes, good idea. We are going to look at officially registering with 
Mozilla.org, that will eliminate the need to modify Exceptions list 
in FireFox.

for security: Until the plugin is fixed, could it show an own page 
first where it ask "do you really want to run this script?". then 
it would be still easy to show a demo to friends, but not for others 
to sneak scripts in.

Regarding comment above on "... jumping around from plan to plan....":

Sorry, but we are not.  Our plan has not changed in a long time. 
 But, what you see are pieces of the plan in development in parallel. 
 To explain...

REBOL 3.0 architecture consists of 3 tiers: environments, cores, 
plugins.

Environments are modules such as: console, browser, encap... but 
in R3.0 also things like Apache mod, IDE, enbedded, raw I/O, and 
others.

What can we say?  It's the perception amongst developers.

Yes, and I understand how you can draw that conclusion.

How close is R3 anyway?  Is it that close to replacing R2?

A number of us have projects based upon statements made about the 
plugin.

No, it is not that close to R2 for several reasons.... which is also 
why I look for parallel projects related to it.

In cases where development efforts for R2 also benefit R3, then we 
can do them now. That is the case of the Browser.

So, doesn't it make sense then to finish the plugin as it is so close?

Yes, it does makes sense to do so.

The first step in the plugin was to simply get it running again.

The next step was to get it to update properly, and while at it (and 
waiting on me) Josh did an amazing thing by making it deal with multiple 
instances.

So, what is important now is to build a list of shortcomings (e.g. 
security comes to mind), and prioritize.

We also value any inputs and contributions that can be provided by 
developers.

So, how much effort would it be to complete the plugin?  A day, week, 
month?

The current status is that all the demos on rebol.net don't work 
... this is not a good advert.

We need a short list of "items" that define "complete". Once we have 
that, we can work toward making that happen.

Certainly, I would like to see a non-beta of the R2.

in the plugin.

So, a short list of the outstanding critical problems .. see if they're 
fixable in your time frame , if so - commit to a final release?

That would be good.

It would be helpful if you (primary developers) could help us with 
that list.  So we are in agreement on  "complete".

In addition, things like the demos can be handled quickly by developers, 
as well as moving some of the contest demos into the browser.

It is also likely, and I should be clear, that some behaviors related 
to the browser handling of things like events may be somewhat different 
than in REBOL itself.  This is related to the fact that explorer 
is handling the events and sending them to us via a type of "relay" 
(we call it a window proxy).

We should try to minimize such differences.... but there are some 
that we may not be able to remove entirely.

complete is when it cant be exploited without some basic agreement 
IMHO. Which for me is some kind of "run this script really" before 
loading the real thing. In a way that stop normal people from using 
it, except they get personal motivation by trusted persons.

(since that can be done in a day ;)

Hi Volker... can you clarify that a bit (e.g. in what context)?

e.g do you mean run the script before installing or before running 
a demo, or ?

To make the current plugin ready for demos.

if i point people to http://polly.rebol.it/test/test/game/use/game/game-plugin.html
currently, they allow everyone to send every script, by installing 
it.

Critical problem.. no Mac support.

if the pluin shows a big url and a warning: this script could be 
used to install malware, do youreally want.." and i tell them "thats 
my url" it would work