World: r3wp

Cross-platform: I encourage you to talk to Carl about your cross-platform 
thoughts. That's his area.

I'm going out of town for a few days, but I will go through your 
feedback when I return....in the meantime, please private msg me 
if I have ignored your question or problem with the latest plugin 
release.

Got the following error with relative LaunchURL under firefox (no 
problem under IE) :

** Access Error: Cannot open /C/Documents and Settings/Administrator/Local 
Settings/Temp/REBOL/Plugin/0/cgi-bin/ladybird.rcgi
** Near: do/args script system/script/args

Here is the OBJECT TAG :

<OBJECT ID="REBOL_IE" CLASSID="CLSID:9DDFB297-9ED8-421d-B2AC-372A0F36E6C5"

    CODEBASE="http://www.rebol.com/plugin/rebolb7.cab#Version=1,0,0,0"
    WIDTH="1024" HEIGHT="768" BORDER="1"
    >
    <PARAM NAME="bgcolor" value="#FF8080">
    <PARAM NAME="LaunchURL" value="cgi-bin/ladybird.rcgi">

    <embed name="REBOL_Moz" type="application/x-rebol-plugin-v1"
        WIDTH="1024" HEIGHT="768"

        bgcolor="#005000"
        LaunchURL="cgi-bin/ladybird.rcgi"
        >           
    </embed>
</OBJECT>

This bug is already reported .. relative paths not supported yet 
under FF.

Sorry ;-)

Nothing to be sorry about...it is all about getting feedback, everyone 
here that reports a bug to the rest of u saves us time, and makes 
the product better.

Anyone else having issues with the pg-2 in Win 2000? All I ever get 
is a black bar that looks like a thick cursor ("I" Bar).

In FF, that is. And a blank box (outline of layout container) in 
IE.

Question: If the plugin is running, is it than possible to establish 
from there something like a BEER session without having the firewall 
/proxy problems? IIRC the proxies grant direct TCP/IP access after 
a browser once passed.

James - yes, problems under W2K, both IE and Mozilla Suite. Two machines, 
one behind the proxy, second not. Exactly the same here - the black 
bar ....

Pekr, Ah, I'm not too crazy then. : )  Thanks.

Hi James, Pekr,


the html code is different for IE vs Mozilla plugins. I'm not sure 
wether the web-pages have already been updated accordingly. (Well, 
actually I'm rather sure they haven't ;-)

FYI: I have been reassigned to work on upcoming Win32 features for 
REBOL 3.0. Your feature requests, bug reports, and general feedback 
is still very important to us, but we won't be releasing a new version 
of the plugin for a while.

We didn't forget all the changes and new features we talked about 
[i.e. security, trusted scripts, etc.], but we're putting those on 
hold while we focus on REBOL 3.0 features.

what do win32 features for REBOL 3.0 mean? Anything specific? Rebol 
is meant being cross-platform, although many would like to see things 
like better systray, com interface etc. :-)

I wonder if it means that plug-in is nearly dead - how long will 
the hold take? Maybe few last-minute fixes for mozz/ff/IE would help? 
It does not work in W2K :-)

I'm not sure what I'm cleared to discuss.....we're working on improving 
REBOL's Win32 experience.

The IE plugin doesn't work in Win32?

Win2k?

experience

? Does it mean platform specific things, like integration with OS? 
The same goes for MAC? I think "experience", under Windows, is rather 
good ... but - good luck to your new venture - we are all looking 
towards R3 :-)

Yeah, at work, proxy or not, W2K - no go ...

Hmm. I'll look into that, but we won't have any fixes for a while. 
Sorry.

(Carl is out of the office and we can't release without him)

ok

I don't want to fragment this group, but one project I am working 
on now is the Console....so if you have any ideas for console improvements 
in R3.0 please let me know in private chat.

(Win32 Console to clarify)

how about a group for that? there are a few things I'd like to see.

Wish things that were started could be finished ...

but if there is many things started? :-)

this jumping around from one plan to another is very unsettling ...

we make plans based upon RT's announcements ...

Well, as for plug-in, it is a pity, as last release has few things 
broken, fixing which would allow others to proceed ...

How can anyone plan anything ??

According to the blog, now is the time Carl is supposed to be in 
France for several weeks? We will have to wait anyway ....

It destroys the inertia that was here .. people lose interest.

there are too few people working on the various parts

but it would be logical to finish R3 first and then focus on the 
other things afterwards. what's the use of the plugin if it needs 
to be reimplemented for R3?

because R3 is distant future

and plugin is now...

bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush

well, sort-of-now :-)

we don't know what bugs R3 will introduce

many of us will stick to R2 unti we see how stable R3 is ...

right, but it would be easier if there was someone other than JoshM 
to keep the plugin fire going.

Graham may be right, unless R3 shows sometimes in two months or so. 
It is already one month late anyway, blog is filled mainly with rhetoric 
questions, to which decision is never announced .... so it is kind 
of worrying ;-)

I need the plugin badly for some commercial projects and they can't 
go anywhere without a production ready plugin. But we all know that 
REBOL development tends to go in the "ohh... shiny" direction. :-)

we are comforted with the notion that everything will fall into place 
once R3 comes out.

hmm, I think Carl is responsible though, not Josh .....

but maybe Josh could beta-release here without Carl's permission? 
So no on the web, but here? I bet there is just few bugs remaining, 
which prevent from plug-in usage ...

JoshM, don't want to ruin anything, but you could tell Carl that 
there were objections to this shift :-)