World: r3wp

We want to make as little changes to the 1.3 codebase as possible.

Just so you all know, I live in the world of "get the plugin as great 
as possible". Carl owns REBOL itself and whoever he delegates that 
work to.

get-net-info is imo critical - imo majority of corporate users are 
behind the proxy. Imo to get those users on-board, we have to 1) 
provide ability to do some settings (control panel icon, right mouse 
context menu, whatever), or to make proxy detection better ....

Pekr: Yes, I am looking at that code.

ok, I got it ...

hopefull my earlier points towards where windows stores proxy settings 
will help you ...

Pekr: K, I am checking into this now.

Josh - I can help you - I will look into Opera this evening/tomorrow 
and FF and Mozilla, to see where in registry those are stored - you 
know, Mozilla/FF does NOT use Windows control panel settings ... 
so users not using IE will have those settings elsewhere ...

but maybe we don't need to solve it that way, simply suggesting in 
docs, that users should set their proxy in control panel, that would 
be the easier way ....

BTW, Pekr -- if you or anyone else wants to re-write get-net-info, 
it is a REBOL function and you already haev the source. Feel free 
to code away :). If not, we'll put this on the task list, but no 
promises on when it will get done :)

Graham: Regarding launch URL -- the problem is that we currently 
don't have support for relative or root relative paths in FF. This 
is a bug that we should have fixed for the next release.

What about Linux & OSX support?

Terry, good question. Nothing is planned at the moment.

Well, that makes the whole plugin a moot point for anything less 
than a vertical market.. which might as well download and install 
an encapped script.

the thing is that it probably takes a bit more man power to support 
more platforms and browsers, won't it?

if i could go back to linux then.. I guess Jaime would spend some 
effort too.

Having to set the proxy on the control panel may not be enough. There 
are lots of people out there, who don't know what a proxy is.

Henrik - why should it? There is no IE to support on other platforms. 
And imo other browsers on Linux/OS-X use NS compatible plug-in. And 
imo it should be even compatible API wise.

Ingo - I don't understand - most of the time, you don't care of proxy, 
if you don' know what it is ;-)

... but if you want to get to the internet, and you are behind one, 
someone has to set it - you, or your admin :-)

In my world a browser plugin that only works on windows is worthless. 
And this is the REBOL plugin. Think about that bold statement about 
those 40+ systems REBOL works on. But the plugin is windows only 
???

ditto

Pekr, right. So I set it the internet up for Ma Dalton. Then she 
finds that interesting website, but the plugin just doesn't work.

... and in a company, do you want the admin to walk to all boxes 
just to set up Rebol/plugin?

Ingo, sorry, but you either don't know what you are talking about 
or it is kind of big misunderstanding .....

if you want to get yourself to the internet, and you are behind the 
proxy, either you know how to set it, or you don't have access to 
the internet. Or your ISP gives you adice of how to fill-in proxy 
settings ...

Maybe a bit of both .. I don't know :-)

I do agree about cross platform issues. I hope it will come. Josh 
is doing great job here  ....

I think it's about RT claiming support for many platforms where it 
would only turn out to be a half truth. Windows is already by far 
the best supported REBOL platform. A windows only plugin only skews 
the support even more.

To me Ingo makes sense. HE is around the first time, makes browser 
working, a while later she downloads this pluginin without him aorund. 
says things like control-panel.

Remember older plug-in? There was no chance of getting plug-in for 
Mozilla/FF, Opera. No chance for multiple instances. Now we have 
them, in beta, auto installation. Last thing to be fixed is the proxy 
thing and fixing some bugs. Then Josh can look at compiling to other 
platforms ...

Volker - how is that? Our idea is to set-up proxy automatically ...

Because Ingo set up firefox and firefox has its own proxy-settings 
and rest of windows knows nothing about?

but maybe we don't need to solve it that way, simply suggesting in 
docs, that users should set their proxy in control panel, that would 
be the easier way ....

yes ... and I pointed out where the problem is .... get-net-info 
.... let's revisit the function, it can be cured for 98% of cases 
.... I am just not able to fix it myself alone ...

I guess we got "upset" here

Yes that's what I was talking about ...

Volker - yes, becase I could also see typical attitude - first Josh 
stating we should contact Carl, as get-net-info is rebol part. Then 
he said they are looking at it .... and later on that we could actually 
submit such code .... then I prefer at least RT fixing incorrect 
IE (control panel) setting (they refer to incorrect registry path 
imo), because - I can then use control panel setting to get it working, 
and not instlling user.r somewhere at rudiculous cache directory 
...

I prefer RT fixing get-net-info properly though :-)

btw - could some guru help get scan-netscape-prefs etc. functions 
sources? Those functions can be found in get-net-info, but are not 
exposed to global context ... dunno how to get to them :-)

Josh ... please change your colour to red or something else prominent! 
 Thanks.  And I'll try and figure out why I get an illegal operation 
in FF and not IE.

Josh M:  my problems may be with the interface between the chair 
and the keyboard... I tried using the existing demo pages not even 
considering the new tags required for the html pages.  I will double 
check everything when I get a chance.  Sorry for possibly causing 
extra work on your part to trouble shoot.

Cross-platform: I encourage you to talk to Carl about your cross-platform 
thoughts. That's his area.

I'm going out of town for a few days, but I will go through your 
feedback when I return....in the meantime, please private msg me 
if I have ignored your question or problem with the latest plugin 
release.

Got the following error with relative LaunchURL under firefox (no 
problem under IE) :

** Access Error: Cannot open /C/Documents and Settings/Administrator/Local 
Settings/Temp/REBOL/Plugin/0/cgi-bin/ladybird.rcgi
** Near: do/args script system/script/args

Here is the OBJECT TAG :

<OBJECT ID="REBOL_IE" CLASSID="CLSID:9DDFB297-9ED8-421d-B2AC-372A0F36E6C5"

    CODEBASE="http://www.rebol.com/plugin/rebolb7.cab#Version=1,0,0,0"
    WIDTH="1024" HEIGHT="768" BORDER="1"
    >
    <PARAM NAME="bgcolor" value="#FF8080">
    <PARAM NAME="LaunchURL" value="cgi-bin/ladybird.rcgi">

    <embed name="REBOL_Moz" type="application/x-rebol-plugin-v1"
        WIDTH="1024" HEIGHT="768"

        bgcolor="#005000"
        LaunchURL="cgi-bin/ladybird.rcgi"
        >           
    </embed>
</OBJECT>

This bug is already reported .. relative paths not supported yet 
under FF.

Sorry ;-)

Nothing to be sorry about...it is all about getting feedback, everyone 
here that reports a bug to the rest of u saves us time, and makes 
the product better.

Anyone else having issues with the pg-2 in Win 2000? All I ever get 
is a black bar that looks like a thick cursor ("I" Bar).

In FF, that is. And a blank box (outline of layout container) in 
IE.