World: r3wp

I meant in terms of where a UI can be displayed. Not whether we can 
hard scale it to a PDA or an HDTV like they do. If you want to display 
big and pretty buttons on an HDTV, you'd use one set of styles. If 
you want to display on a text only console, you'd use a different 
set of styles, but the layout code would be the same. Some work needs 
to be done here before I can say anything more. We're only testing 
ordinary WindowsXP graphics for now.

styles

Sounds very good

how do you setup forms on a text console?  use escape sequences??

I don't know. Ask gabriele. :-)

Hmm.

So, it sounds as though we might be able to generate html as well 
...

You can use terminal escape codes for that, or usually, you use a 
library such as Curses or S-Lang

the layout engine can with the use of styles generate a flash or 
javascript gui ??

It should, if it can even do text

Years ago there was a project trying to do this in XML, UIML

ascii art

It's one of the projects I bookmarked that could be done better in 
REBOL :-)

I admit I hadn't thought of that. I actually have a project on hold 
for VID->HTML forms in R2.

Looks like Oldes is doing a R2 layout on Flash

If it could do these things .. it would greatly enhance it's attractiveness 
to non Rebol users

Sounds like Gabriele got his UI abstraction concept through, then

abstract all that hard stuff out of JS etc

a killer user of R3

use

Freudian slip? :-)

sounds great. :-) But let's see what Gabriele says. :-)

of course this is what we wanted with makedoc ..

to create text, pdf, etc

Tao is no more - they went bancrupt. Tao was imo not very special, 
yet similar to REBOL. Remember - they had to code in kind of Rebcode 
ASM, to get the speed. And R3, once platform plug-ins are ready, 
will allow to replace certain parts, e.g. rendering.

I thought about VID3-2-Flash converter, but I am not sure those things 
are possible, without REBOL. Remember - VID is being parsed, 'parse 
is evaluated in REBOL. REBOL is everywhere in the equation. The trick 
is - show Flash, Ruby, Python guys, that View is nice and runs in 
the browser. Then they will try to copy it. Then they will find out, 
they need REBOL anyway. Then they will find out, that REBOL is actually 
smaller, than most of their libraries. Then they will drop Ruby, 
Python etc. :-)

In order to get VID3 to work in Flash, you would need to recode the 
whole thing in Flash itself. The same goes for other environments. 
It is imo easier to port REBOL to those tools, although it might 
be slow. IMO REBOL ported to JAVA would be interesting project ....

I was thinking more of a code generator

If you want a killer app, let's finish VID3, put extension things 
in-place, simply create "a platform", then let's create browser plug-in 
- that is a killer app, because it provides you with seamless integration. 
And it will work out of the box, no REBOL code changes or limitations.

remember - ajax is crap. Show me one single grid, powerfull as Henrik's 
grid, which is consistent, not hundreds of KBs of chaotic code. VID3 
app has imo potential to kill ANY web-based wanna-be apps, which 
try to pretend, they are desktop-like apps. Web is web, it should 
stay that way - forms, portal, but not rich-apps.

the reality is that the world is moving to rich web apps

yes, they try to, for ages already.

It's just the poor thinking they're rich

V3 won't be there until it can build a browser window

that scales as well as a web browser

Web browsers scale well?

That is not needed. Nor python or anyone else implement full html 
support.

better than V2

Not my Firefox that is hanging my machine all the time for a while

I'd still rather user FF than Lynx

Well, to ppl to which source code is not important, there is no help 
:-) Look into mixture of your html, css, js (ajax) code, server parts, 
etc. That is simply - terrible. I hope R3 with rebservices provide 
us great advantage here ... we will see ....

Lynx scales, though. :-) And it sounds it can be implemented in VID3 
:-)

FF is ok here :-) IE mostly too (IE7).

FF is okay for me too

I understand Graham - we talk vapor here. R3 is not here, nor is 
VID3, nor is web plug-in. Potential is here, but other world is not 
slowing down, it is the opposite - they are strenghtenign web-apps 
position ...

perhaps FF just hangs on Syllable platform??

Youn guys obviously haven't tried ABrowse :-)

Amiga version?

Syllable app. We don't have FF and are not sure we want it

The only things I will miss with View is the possibility of integration 
- how to display video inside of View face? How to display embedded 
html page inside the Face? (imo we should look into khtml webkit 
here, mozilla's embedding stuff is said to be complicated)