World: r3wp
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Graham 6-Oct-2007 [4720x2] | I'd prefer "broadside" :) |
in going with the rebol theme | |
Gabriele 6-Oct-2007 [4722x2] | kaj: it's a toy because you can do whatever you want with it, but not put it in production, because you'll get no support at this point. well, of course, if you want to go into production with no support and knowing that the next release may break everything... of course you're free to do that, but don't complain to us then :) |
Ingo: it should be said, that in R3 you can also code (in C) the networking etc. as all that is in the open source part. ie. you can add ssl:// yourself. | |
Kaj 6-Oct-2007 [4724] | I've had Syllable in production for five years. I don't mind |
Rod 6-Oct-2007 [4725] | I also want to add that we the community need to be careful not to push into the release or feature discussions, only Carl and the core developer group can know what fits the product development timeline. This is hard as we all have our specific needs but at best those are the kinds of distractions the team doesn't need. |
Graham 6-Oct-2007 [4726x2] | umm... the target is the community |
if the developers don't develop for the community, whom are they developing for? | |
Rod 6-Oct-2007 [4728] | I'm talking about priorities, why should we tell them what goes together in what order. I expect them to deliver it all at some point *smile* |
Graham 6-Oct-2007 [4729x2] | because the community knows best :) |
a development tool is useless without developers | |
Ashley 6-Oct-2007 [4731] | it would help if the developers all wanted the same things in the same time frame ... but they don't ;) |
Graham 6-Oct-2007 [4732] | It's like that millionaire quiz program on tv .. the audience usually gets it right |
Rod 6-Oct-2007 [4733] | I can tell them what is important to me, but I can't tell them slice core off first and then work on view - only they know enough to make those calls. Ashley - sure we do - we want it all now.. *smile* |
Graham 6-Oct-2007 [4734x3] | not always, but usually |
Now imagine that most developers use core and web servers, they will want http(s) before they want VID | |
but who's to know? Unless they ask. | |
Rod 6-Oct-2007 [4737] | Our input is important but as a developer I know the best path to get to the finish of my project, not the users waiting for it. |
Graham 6-Oct-2007 [4738] | which is why developers need managers - to correct them of such ideas <BG> |
Rod 6-Oct-2007 [4739] | As both developer and manager I can say I have problems with myself sometimes... |
Graham 6-Oct-2007 [4740x4] | the developer may know technically what is best ... but they need to communicate the reasons |
Now Gabriele says he wants to concentrate on VID ( which was only going to take a few days ) because it was hard and pop was easy. | |
That doesn't seem a technical reason to me. | |
BTW, I have no interest in testing R3 .. no time. I'm playing the devil's advocate here. | |
Rod 6-Oct-2007 [4744] | I do not have enough information to make an informed decision on something like that, part of why we need more visibility but also why we need to pull back from "telling" RT what should be done. |
Graham 6-Oct-2007 [4745x2] | we haven't even started telling RT yet |
Does anyone know of any open source project that has suffered from too many developers??? | |
Rod 6-Oct-2007 [4747x2] | It sure sounds like it to me? The frustrations put here are of the do this do that nature which I don't find as productive as they could be. |
I would say most of them myself but that is just personal opinion. *smile* | |
Graham 6-Oct-2007 [4749] | interesting .. most of the projects I see, there are so few contributors |
Rod 6-Oct-2007 [4750] | Ah, sorry didn't follow. The ones that had too many suffered but yes many don't have nearly enough. |
Graham 6-Oct-2007 [4751] | we did have the previous vid debacle where it seemed egos got in the way, and we had a proliferation of resizing schemes |
Ashley 6-Oct-2007 [4752] | VID is much more visible than pop. For some people, the fact that REBOL has a simple declarative GUI is the *only* reason they noticed and subsequently use REBOL. I think the focus on VID is the right call. |
Graham 6-Oct-2007 [4753x3] | excepting VID is still incomplete after how many years?? |
which is why we have RebGUI :) | |
Anyway, I guess this is all religious talk | |
btiffin 7-Oct-2007 [4756] | Well, it's actually perfect for trying to bag up as priorities and get them sent to Pekr and user.r. Don't worry about having a voice, we are attempting to start a funnel channel. As Graham says, the majority usually rides the top of the bell curve, and if that information can be summarized, it can't hurt. No actual guarantee of it helping but it can't hurt and it's bound to influence to some degree or other. |
Gabriele 7-Oct-2007 [4757x2] | Graham, if the audience usually gets it right, why isn't the audience making R3? :-) |
Graham, even if most developers wanted HTTP first, keep in mind that RT has specific goals to reach, because it's a company with investors and eventually products or services to sell. | |
Pekr 7-Oct-2007 [4759x2] | rgaither - stop taking excuses! :-) If RT can't manage it themselves, someone needs to tell them, what to do ... |
as for R3, the release seems to be managed, but honestly, I would not allow Gabriele to define, what is important ;-) | |
Henrik 7-Oct-2007 [4761x2] | and I wouldn't let Pekr define what's important either :-) |
just a joke. :-) | |
Pekr 7-Oct-2007 [4763x3] | that is allright with me, if you ask :-) |
I don't take it personally. I am just used to what I do with my daily job - define strategy, and path to lead the team to final result. I can quickly adapt to other solution, if it makes sense ... | |
If you would ask RT to have guy(s) to define their marketing aproach, they should use Robert + me (eventually :-), but developers would not have a say here ... | |
Henrik 7-Oct-2007 [4766] | developers would not have a say here <--- that would terrify me. it's why I work usually alone. :-) |
Pekr 7-Oct-2007 [4767] | yes, typical model - developers hating marketing dept. messing with the product and its strategy :-) |
Henrik 7-Oct-2007 [4768] | yes, that's how Commodore died. :-) |
Pekr 7-Oct-2007 [4769] | we are not there yet. Let's wait for RT to be bought by MS. Then we can ruin MS. Then finally Carl can resurrect the Amiga :-) |
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