World: r3wp

I see unbind is now part of R3  :-D

WORDS-OF works on any-object!, any-function! and map! too, though 
it's only bound to any-object!.

I could see the binding to map being usefull, it might be impossible 
due to the inner implementation of map

I'm trying to backport UNBIND to R2, but it's really tricky.

I've tried several times... I usually end up doing:     load mold 
myblock

You can't bind to a map! because the keys are handled differently, 
with the keys going away when assigned none.

You can't bind to something that might go away :)

yep  :-)   I guess asking for a word in a map which isn't there returns 
none  ?

Yup :)

Most of map!'s behavior was my idea.

it makes me think of the array type in AREXX  ;-)

are only words supported in map! or are other types usable for the 
key?

Other types too, but not all other types.

so scalars, pairs, tuples, strings, words at least?

Yup.

a trick question... are set and get words enabled? and are they differentiated 
from lit-words?

to me an unbound word is a lit-word in the context of the map...

I'm not sure what I wrote above makes sense.. hahaha

Binaries too, but not block, object or vector types. Word types are 
converted to word!.

All types can be used as values though, except #[none] which will 
make the key disappear.

yep this means we can use the map exactly like in AREXX, very usefull 
for sparse arrays  :-)

if you used the object's pointer in the map internally, we could 
use objects too, it would actually be very usefull and not that much 
heavy to implement.

like find with blocks is very fast.  it only maps the exact same 
object, not a similar object AFAIK.

You can use objects as the values, but the keys need to be hashable 
:)

Map keys get hashed when the map gets large enough. No, I don't know 
how large that is :)

but the object pointers can be hashed? no?

Bring it up with Carl :)

he'll ask me for an example of usage... now I have to scan my brain 
for the last 10 years of REBOL usage... and remember when I'd used 
this... hehe

The advantage of map keys is that they don't have to be the SAME? 
as the key, they can just be EQUAL? and the hashing speeds things 
up. With objects you either have a reference to it or you don't. 
If you have a reference, you can extend it with new fields, which 
can refer to the values you want to associate with the object. If 
you don't have a reference you need to specify a key within the object 
that you are searching for, and hashing won't help there, but we're 
going to add a mezzanine to do that kind of searching.

the EQUAL? note is very important to mention in the docs... and its 
important for the difference between them to be very explicitely 
defined for all types, somewhere.

the difference between EQUAL? and SAME?

I believe there is a blog conversation about that now :)

yep... I just meant... it has to be very precisely/explicitely documented 
 :-)


btw, I added other qualitative word examples for equality-likeness-sameness 
on the post...  might give you ideas for a better scalling of the 
four levels

Just updated my article about my early R3 porting adventures.  Highlights 
of changes:

-- shout outs to Ladislav and Steeve -- thanks, guys
-- fix of to-pair issue

-- aside about the largest prime discoverable prime number in REBOL 
-- I suggest any discussion on that goes into [Puzzle answers]

-- problem with parse --- see ISSUE under rse-ids.r  -- Can anyone 
help diagnose the issue? Thanks!

http://www.rebol.org/art-display-article.r?article=j26z

Some tweaks:
- OR~, not ~OR

- AND~, OR~ and XOR~ work in R2 as well, and should be used instead 
of AND, OR and XOR for prefix use.

Interesting article :)
It's great to see how easy porting from R2 to R3 is :)

sunanda, in insert-compact, replace:
>>prev: pick here -1
by
>>prev: pick here 0

for RSE-IDS source

Thanks Steeve -- will try that later.

Thanks Brian -- though it's early days yet. I've deliberately picked 
the nursery-slope scripts. I have others I'll build up to that regularly 
acted as R2 stress-testers.

As Brian pointed, it's not difficult to port to R3 but it's not optimized 
for R3 and to do so; it will need more rewrite.

Sunanda: Correction! I told you, that it was the largest INTEGER! 
prime in R3, I did not claim a larger one is not findable

back from business trip. So what's the binary conversion status? 
Is it just a test how it turns out, or are we definitely going that 
direction?

conversion done, you can download A62

Sunanda: your alphametics problem is caused by bug#851

Apologies and thanks, Ladislav -- I'll update the article again probably 
tomorrow.

We could use more opinions on two short-term decision blogs:
- http://www.rebol.net/r3blogs/0211.htmlLevels of equality

- http://www.rebol.net/r3blogs/0212.htmlCopying and/or making objects

Please chime in! We need more opinions than just those of Ladislav, 
Maxim and I :)

Especially since Ladislav and I agree about levels of equality - 
it's usually scary when we agree :)

Well, but then there are those, who's opinion is irrelevant, as mine 
:-) As for equality, I think you are directing a good direction, 
as well as for copying. I do agree with Max, that we need max flexibility 
to decide what gets copied and what not. Some things can then be 
pre-set, other set by users at will.  We need good memory management 
...

Well, if you agree, it is cool. Make a decision and move on - we 
have still tonnes of issues to solve :-) You know - half functional 
modules, no concurrency, no upper layer networking, still no plugins, 
no GUI (and Flash is going to be everywhere by the end of the year) 
... that seems like a really lot of catch-up we need to play ...

Max is missing that I already proposed a more flexible solution than 
he is proposing. He is so focused on the behavior of MAKE that he 
missed that I also made proposals for COPY andf COPY/deep.