World: r3wp

he just want to protect the language so that we don't end up with 
things like a version of REBOL with commas everywhere... ;-)

... the horror :( ...

I thought that' s called a dialect? :-)

hehe... a dialect still has to obey the syntax rules... commas are 
specifically designed *out* of the language.

Not if you do string parsing

but that is not a dialect.  its not valid rebol.

But that' s a different subject, that touches on my CMS

anyhow.... Boron is interesting, I hope there will be a way to bridge 
it and R3 at some point.

Yes

Concerning the license, there' s no need to be alarmist. If contributors 
work under BSD, both R3 and Boron can use it

The boron.exe is tiny at 7.5kb ... do you have some examples of what 
you are using it for?

the boron.dll is 93 kb

This is the fisrt open source REBOL interpreter with working downloadable 
Windows binaries that I've seen.  I can't believe that I never found 
those download links before.  I think that this should be promoted 
more!

Nice!

Boron

)> t: now loop 10000000 [a: div mul sub add 11 2 3 4 5] print ["time:" 
sub now t]
time: 0:00:04.797

R2

>> t: now/precise loop 10000000 [a: divide multiply subtract add 
11 2 3 4 5] print ["time:" difference  now/precise t]
time: 0:00:07.594

R3

>> t: now/precise loop 10000000 [a: divide multiply subtract add 
11 2 3 4 5] print ["time:" difference  now/precise t]
time: 0:00:07.563

Well, that is just one example. But guys - unless anyone shows me 
a complete working clone, not just some subset, it has to be regarded 
being a crap :-)

Such projects might be a good testbed for some new or different ideas, 
but I am carefull in becoming too excited about them. What is the 
purpose of "clone", e.g. Orca, which has something like 50% of natives 
available only? Other thing is the project potential - dunno why 
- maybe because we trusted in RT, or because our community was too 
small, there was not much of a progress with any clone we ever heard 
about. Unless that changes, I want finished R3, because that is right 
now the shortest path to having "new powerfull REBOL" ....

Sure, we all want that, but that's quite different from anything 
else being crap if it doesn't match R3 to the last bit

Nick, I think R# and ORCA also had Windows binaries many years ago

Graham, I'm not using Boron yet, but as you know, some of the Syllable 
system tools are written in ORCA. I'll port them to Boron when I 
get to it

Kaj, do you have a Windows binary of Orca available?

I'm sure there would be an an enormous learning curve for me, but 
I'm really tempted to spend some time digging into this source...

There was also a REBOL clone on .NET that some french group started, 
don't remember the name.

Just wondering what you can do with a clone that has no ports ... 
can it read and write files?  Do cgi ?

Graham - you are requesting too advanced functionality? :-)

Why? You're in luck: Boron just got ports

Nick, there's not much point in digging into the ORCA source. It's 
superceded by Boron

Of course, ORCA has been able to read and write files for years, 
and that's what I use in Syllable. And when it can do that, or just 
print to standard output, you can also do CGI with it

How is Boron different than ORCA?  Are you working on it?

Can I use it for CGI now?

There's no 'system, let alone system/options/cgi.  Is there any method 
for retrieving GET or POST data?  I'd work agressively at implementing 
some useful web site applications with Boron if there was even rudimentary 
CGI support.

Boron is not my project

Oh - I thought it was.

I guess it's Karl?  Is there a way to contact him?

ORCA was quite REBOL compatible. There was an intermediate project 
Thune that was much more Forth like and not compatible. Boron has 
prefix syntax again but is less compatible than ORCA

Yes, it's Karl, and he has a mail address and mailing list at SourceForge

Thanks :)

There has been a continuous line of development over about half a 
decade from ORCA via Thune (and Rune) to Boron. Boron is the newest 
and the only current project

Not much is needed for CGI, so I'd guess it's possible. ORCA had 
a getenv function to get the environment variables and so does Boron, 
I guess

I don't know about getting standard input

CGI is not the kind of stuff Karl does, so it may be missing. They're 
just small things to add, though

As it stands, Boron seems reasonably capable of processing strings 
and lists - I could certainly have a go at writing some useful stuff 
if CGI were possible.  I'll send Karl an email...

Right  now I'm very excited to be playing with a working open source 
REBOL implementation in Windows :) I wonder what dependencies it 
has, and if it can be compiled to run on Windows Phone or any other 
potentially useful operating systems.  Even just for simple file 
managment and text processing, it would be really cool to see this 
running somewhere where real REBOL isn't currently available.  And 
since it's open source, there's potential to expand it's capabilities.

Porting it to other platforms shouldn't be hard. I just compiled 
it on Syllable and that was it

ORCA only optionally depended on LibBZip2. I don't think Boron even 
needs that yet

Oh, it does need CMake to compile. That's the most tricky part

Here's the recipe from my build system:

http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/Boron--current/Boron--current.recipe?view=markup

Thanks!

Don't mind the patch directive; that's left over from ORCA

I want to try to compile ORCA for Windows too - I tried briefly once 
in the past, but ran into problems and didn't have time to play with 
it.