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Only enforcement of LGPL is that if you change the core the you need 
to post changes.

So you modify some LGPL code your changes need to be opened. But 
if you just link to it, your code stays yours.

Advantage, nobody can stop the REVOLT.

But anyone can take advantage of it.

If you link to LGPL, you also have to publish your binary objects

Don't follow that implication, sharing binaries doesn't hurt anyone 
or force anything.

It probably makes it a lot easier to reverse engineer your code. 
That may be an objection of RT

Nah.

*Jaime* cloack again

Jaime, an advantage to OpenRebol is that we don't have to go through 
changing all the code that looks like this:

#define orResult(t,v) \
    orSetTF(a1, t); \
    a1->index = v;

#define orResultCopy(v)     orCopyV(a1,v)

#define orResultSeries(t,w,idx) \
    orSetTF(a1, t); \
    orSetSeries(a1,w,idx)

#define orResultSTRING(i)   orResultSeries(OT_STRING,i,0)
#define orResultFILE(i)     orResultSeries(OT_FILE,i,0)
#define orResultBLOCK(i)    orResultSeries(OT_BLOCK,i,0)
#define orResultBINARY(i)   orResultSeries(OT_BINARY,i,0)
#define orResultNONE        orResult(OT_NONE,0)

etc.. etc...

All those "or" prefixes may refer equally to "ORca" or to "OpenRebol" 
 :)

Anyway, it's hardly a revolt, is it ?

I think it's a revolting name :)

Kaj, just reading Orca code for now, no creation happening yet :)

Same here

Anyone with any experience with Jabber clients ? I just tried using 
Psi to create an account on jabber.org without much luck. (a possible 
problem with certificate and unresolved host error.)

Do you have a gmail-account?

gaim registers without problems

I collected some links for Orca's scattered resources in the Orca 
world and wrote a how-to for compiling it

Could you please add the compiling instructions to  the trac wiki?

I'd prefer not to do double work. Besides, there not general instructions, 
but alternate instructions for compiling with my Builder tool. Not 
generic enough for the wiki, I think, unless they would prove very 
popular

Ok. Your call.

I'm trying to bring some added value

Does Orca have SWIG bindings ?

Not that I've noticed. But I am not fully immersed in Orca yet.

No, and I'm not at all sure SWIG bindings would be the best solution 
to interfacing with external libraries, for Orca

SWIG bindings are one-to-one bindings, mapping a C library call to 
a function in the high-level language. This disregards the richer 
ways of expression that are possible in the high-level language. 
As we know, REBOL is especially powerful, and I think it would be 
better to write bindings in a more suitable way

This problem can be observed in Python, which usually has one-to-one 
style bindings. A language like Io, for example, has bindings that 
were designed to fit well with its object-oriented design

I think the best way in REBOL is, as usual, to design dialects on 
the abstraction level of the user, and implement them in terms of 
the available C libraries. This is what Orca does so far with Qt 
and OpenGL

Apart from cleaner code, it probably makes for better performance 
as well

In rebol, it would be faster, yes. Those other compiled languages 
can more easily afford to map every function.

Yes, I suppose there would be a big difference between compiled and 
interpreted languages

My first thought a few years ago was SWIG as well, but after looking 
into it, I concluded that it was more suitable to some languages 
than others

Is anybody planning to take on Orca development ? I wanted to reply 
to Karl R. message in the Orca mailing list asking him for 1) move 
license to MIT/BSD 2) what he doesn't like about rebol that prompted 
him to abandon the project

Karl is continuing with Thune, his other language of his own design. 
His principle is to design languages based on the same REBOL syntax, 
but with different semantics. So, Thune is still a lot like REBOL, 
but not compatible

Did you read my explanation above why a BSD license wouldn't solve 
all issues going forward?

I am continuing with Orca in Syllable, and I will make improvements 
to Orca where I can and need them. A few other people have expressed 
interest in development as well

No. Would MIT or Boost license be ok ?

GPL/LGPL gives a lot libraries, which cant be used with bsd. No bsd 
or no libraries.

the other way around works. So lgpl has more power.

Orca -->  OpenRebol   :  could there be any legal issues using this 
name ?

then call it Freebol :-)

not sure, how those things go .... it depends, how RT has registered 
their trademark ....

Yarc?

I think there is not a legal problem with "OpenRebol", but I would 
prefer the opinion of someone like Kaj or Reichart.

I'm not a lawyer, as they say, but I think it's a problem under trademark 
law. Whether it would be a problem in practice would depend on RT's 
reaction

Chances are that RT is obliged to take action, because you loose 
the right to a name if you don't defend it

Mmm.. that's an interesting point.

I finished rewriting the Syllable package manager tool in Orca, from 
C++. It's going to be in Syllable 0.6.2. I encountered some Orca 
bugs, but no showstoppers

Have you recorded the bugs ?