World: r3wp

man, cant' people stop inventing synonims.

And it always loads the same document regardless of what I choose.

not ready for prime time yet.

Lotus had a suite of their applications that loaded across the network 
.. looked neat when I went to the demo 10 years ago.

ajax :  the new way of doing everything without changing anything 
in the way we are doing things.

I still don't understand why so many people are so excited with Ajax, 
from my point of view it's just the getXMLHttpRequestObj() function, 
which started to work after many years in more than one browser, 
and which enable us to load something without need to reload all 
the page.

yes

isn't it amazing?

hahaha

yes, it's nice, I use it for example here http://www.literarky.cz/povidkaroku2006.php?p=clanek&id=1451

but do I compare Ajax with Rebol?

it used to be that when you coudn't see you where blind..  in this 
politically correct world you are now visually impaired.

I guess that using javascript is also the same, now you say you are 
an ajax programmer.   ;-)

microsofts ajax with .net (ofcourse..) some info -> http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2006/03/31.html

http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/screenroom/atlas_flv.html

Must say, that I have to leave using AJAX in my sites, where I was 
using it in public pools, because it looks, that for some people 
it's impossible to vote. There is still too many people using old 
crap (W98 with ancient IE browsers) .

I just recently held discussion with my old amiga friend, and I reminded 
him of Rebol 3.0. He seemed really confident, that ajax ends most 
of private, non open sourced technologies ....  and that View with 
ajax has no sense anymore :-)

He suggested me to watch - http://www.techcrunch.comand http://www.netvibes.com
sites for e.g.

I just would like to ask, if there is any perspective for rebol - 
e.g. that we could have core in browser (not view) and do ajax too? 
:-)

I'm pretty sure that /core would run circles around AJAX, during 
the tests I made a couple of years ago

but - what does it mean - core in browser? it is plug-in too, no?

it would be a plugin, but I'm not sure how much sense it makes other 
than a smaller DLL file

you need to embed it in a webpage somehow

Interesting can be, if you run serven in clients page:-))

server? yes, possible with rebol.

the netvibes site is nice, but the problem is still the same, - you 
have to do it in old way as well, if you want to make pages for more 
people then net-freaks

but still, dom interface is weak, no? otoh we don't need full rebol 
version of dom, js has one, so via do-browser we can call even dom, 
right? :-)

server-in-a-browser would be a piece of cake with rebol. just consider 
that you can output HTML code to the browser via DOM as well as View 
graphics

what browsers are ajax compatible? IE since 5.5? let's forget old 
browsers then ... ppl should upgrade, if they want something new 
...

via do-browser you can do everything - it just evaluates JS code

hmm, then we need that plug-in, gee :-)

yes, the plugin is going to become very important

Anyway, I'm giving ajax (or I don't know how to call it, because 
it's not ajax, it's just a httprequest) next try with this modified 
function:
	function getXMLHttpRequestObj(){
		var ajx;
		if(window.ActiveXObject) {
			if(_XML_ActiveX) {
				ajx = new ActiveXObject(_XML_ActiveX);
			} else {
				var versions = [
					"MSXML2.XMLHTTP",
					"Microsoft.XMLHTTP",
					"Msxml2.XMLHTTP.7.0",
					"Msxml2.XMLHTTP.6.0",
					"Msxml2.XMLHTTP.5.0",
					"Msxml2.XMLHTTP.4.0",
					"MSXML2.XMLHTTP.3.0"
				];
				for (var i = 0; i < versions.length; i++) {
					try {
						ajx = new ActiveXObject(versions[i]);
						if (ajx) {
							var _XML_ActiveX = versions[i];
							break;
						}
					}
					catch (e) {}
				}
			}
		}
		if(!ajx && typeof XMLHttpRequest != undefined) {
			try {
				ajx = new XMLHttpRequest();
			}
			catch (e) {
				return null;
			}
		} return ajx;
	}

(with test, that if the httpReqeust object is not available, I have 
to use old style -all page reload:-)

don't you think we need new windowing system for browsers? I think 
that view layout is not good model anymore ... it opens new OS window 
... but that will be regarded being a popup .... we imo definitely 
need rebol own windowing system ...

(it looks that the "nice" site killed my firefox after playing a 
little bit with it:-) eating about 200MB of my memory:-)))

http://www.google.com/ig

http://www.protopage.com/v2

nice. reminds me of SWiS.

yes .... the bad part  is, that they will claim how cool it is, no 
matter that it was done before ...

hope we get full-featured plug-in one day ...

its nice, visually.

Still seems like a step back from native windowing...

funny How I coded such a thing myself 5 years ago though (floating 
divs with title bar and internal scroll bars I guess its shadow effects 
make it worthy of a patent.  ;-)

I found the flash demos on this site http://www.zimbra.com/very 
impressive.

Zimbra is a sort of exchange clone.

The client can recognise phone numbers and bring up Skype to dial 
numbers, recognises addresses and popups yahoo maps etc.

the browser is becoming a very decent platform for developing applications

it is not browser which is capable - other technologies are ... but 
you are right - browser is a platform - it is a container ... it 
is a VM of a kind - you don't need .NET or .JAVA - you need native 
browser, which "contains" other technologies ... now let's have REBOL 
in a browser, our .REBOL :-)

Having everything wrapped in HTML (or XML or whatever markup-language) 
is not a good solution. I hate using applications inside a browser, 
because they're always slooooow. Native application clients are much 
better. Think reblets!

But if the reblets don't look as good as embedded html apps?