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Henrik: your remark is the classic one somebody makes when a technology 
is about to be misused for a killer app. Now we know Ajax/Web 2.0 
will boom ;-)

sadly, it probably will. it's the same thing as using MS Word to 
build webpages. never meant to do it, but it was shoved in there 
for the sake of adding some random feature

Agreed.

think this is heavy on Ajax..but it is cool
http://www.fluxiom.com/

Interesting.  Is there a site to play with?

I've said it before, but to press the point.. If Rebol wants to keep 
with the times, it needs to create a javascript dialect

I find fluxiom's style sheet to be 'inspiring'   :)

Tahoma is a nice font.

it needs to create a javascript dialect

 - then instead of waiting for someone else to do it, either create 
 one yourself or start a project of like-minded individuals. ;)

I personally don't need one.. Rebol does.

If you don't need it, why would Rebol need one? Also I think if it 
was needed, more people would have asked for it and someone would 
have made attempts at writing one. Still, it could be interesting 
with a code generator to other languages that way...

Javascript needs a Rebol dialect, hmm -- 
http://www.crockford.com/JSON/index.html
http://www.crockford.com/javascript/remedial.html
http://www.crockford.com/javascript/recommend.html

Close, but not quite...

neat.... I might read up on that, thanks :-)

Henrik, I know javascript, but the learning curve for it is harsh.. 
A dialect would shave off that curve.

The google issue is a good one, search engines are the reasons that 
previous things like frames and iframes failed. As Neilson often 
states, since the advent of powerfull search engines like google, 
there is no longer a real concept of websites..rather from a web 
user point of view, it is just a search box and a list result web 
 pages with what they want to find

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-futhtml1/?ca=dgr-lnxw01FutureHTML

http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php

A-/Synchronous use of XMLHttpReqest (Pushing data from a server to 
a browser async style.. )
http://wehrlos.strain.at/httpreq/client.html

Actualy I dont understand a bit of the principle and functionality 
of AJAX, is there someone here who can explain me the extra value 
of AJAX? (it looks all like a very old priciple that was put in a 
jacket with strange programming languages..)

You got it Norman.....I went through the same "what the hell is this 
that did not alrewady exist"


AJAX is another way of say "Don't refresh teh page every time, just 
send me the small amount of data I need"

Thats clear Reichart ..thanks.. ;-)

Qtask uses a Rebol version of AJAX (we call it Comet).

And when is the Comet coming?

The best quote I've seen for Ajax is: "now the browser works like 
it should have in the first place"

Yep. And Microsoft accidentally did that. How sad is that?

something about monkeys with billions banging on keyboards ...

We are activily working on Comet, and the framework.  We should see 
the first hints of the framework on Qtask in about 2 weeks is my 
guess.  The lead of the FRamework just finished the full Contact 
Manager which is live on Qtask now.

Our plan is actually to split off a page and start the UI from scratch 
for the Framework.  it will be fun.  We will simply do everything 
one step at a time, and correctly.

now the browser works like it should have in the first place


Now? getElementById has been around since 1998.. IFRAME-based JSRS 
library from 2000, Image/Cookie technique in 2000 and XMLHttpRequest 
since 2002

And java since 1996 or so?

And juice.

Alex Russell has coined a term for a flavour of Ajax that’s been 
getting more attention of late. Comet describes applications where 
the server keeps pushing - or streaming - data to the client, instead 
of having the browser keep polling the server for fresh content. 
Alex identifies several buzzworthy examples:
http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=545

Which one is better?

http://edevil.wordpress.com/2005/11/14/javascript-libraries-roundup/

What about this one? wouldn't be nice to have in rebol?
PAJAX - Remote (a)synchronous PHP objects in JavaScript
http://www.auberger.com/pajax/

Websites are just babysitting databases, so tehy invented RubyOnRails 
to make that easier

. I saw this on the web somewhere, and it is true (both in terms 
of RoR qualities and limitations)

Everything is data.

Slides on Comet http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/wp-content/LowLatencyData.html

I don't see anything on the that page, just a space where a flash 
movie is supposed to be.

http://www.ajaxwrite.com/

it's running only in Firefox!

This is a pretty bizarre program .. I tried loading a word doc from 
my docs, and it loads a completely different one.

It's not AJAX based but XUL based and XUL is Mozilla-specific.

I don't understand why they choose that name

man, cant' people stop inventing synonims.

And it always loads the same document regardless of what I choose.

not ready for prime time yet.

Lotus had a suite of their applications that loaded across the network 
.. looked neat when I went to the demo 10 years ago.

ajax :  the new way of doing everything without changing anything 
in the way we are doing things.

I still don't understand why so many people are so excited with Ajax, 
from my point of view it's just the getXMLHttpRequestObj() function, 
which started to work after many years in more than one browser, 
and which enable us to load something without need to reload all 
the page.

yes