World: r3wp

simply - two nights in Rome, right? It is some 180 EUR for accomodation, 
then there is train to Millano - 50 EUR. But what if we go by car? 
Should we travell directly to Rome? Or first accomodate ourselves 
in Treviglio and travell to Rome by train?

The title doesn't state "advantage of open-sourcing Rebol", the presentation 
will about if it's mandatory to get commercial success.

or not. ;-)

ah, that could be interesting. You have some experience in that area? 
That is really a good question - "how to get rebol succesfull"? Today 
I posted another links to article talking about Ruby (Rails) and 
such arctile mentions Python, PHP, Perl, but noone ever mentions 
Rebol - I wonder why ... - so - good topic!

petr: if you share the room (they're all double rooms) it's €90 for 
two nights. and by car it can cost you more than €50 (unless you 
share too). but, i guess in your case it's just much cheaper to get 
directly in milan.

I will probably go directly for devcon to Milan, leaving Rome visit 
for some later time once I will be rich :-) Well, I will see - I 
need to talk to Cyphre and Ladislav how do we travell. If we can 
go by one car, the expenses will be lower of course ...

we'll miss you guys in rome though :)

we will see :-)

So I count: +2 for topic 1

make it +3 - interesting topic :)

How about the hack-session?

Ok... I will focus my thoughts to it...

the problem with that is where to fit it...

we could shorten some talks if you think a hask session would be 
better to have.

*hack

Gabriele, if and when you get the technical details for a webcast, 
let me know. My family has 2 vacations planned and so I won't be 
able to make it. : ^(

the plan so far is to use the same tech of last year, just with more 
experience ;)

I think that a hack session will be really useful it will teach us 
how do we collaborate when meeting in person.

but... i have seen a couple of new streaming servers around, i'll 
make sure to test them out.

it is also possible to do that after the "conference", i.e. after 
4 pm. plenty of time till night ;)

We need to make the most out of our gathering. I think sharing what 
we have been doing our our pov is good. But we need to find ways 
to improve our projects by either sharing code, or learning to collaborate 
efficiently. Things that are only learned in an actual project.

That's what I suggest, because it will be non controllable process 
;-))

dunno if we have internet at the hotel tough.

Gabriele, thanks.

*hack will be a completely uncontrolable experiment ;-)

IIRC UMTS is very good in Italy too,right? Maybe we can use this.

Maybe we should do it on the first day.

And on a voluntary basis.

yes, and hopefully treviglio is covered. but, dunno about prices 
for umts connection. i guess it is pretty expensive.

Maybe the project should be finish RebGUI, it is opensource and I 
think two of their main contributors will be there.

UMTS: Gab, can you check out if it's possible to get test-UMTS-cards. 
Sometimes this is possible for some days ;-))

RebGUI: That's a very good idea. IMO RebGUI is the most active and 
broad-based community project of the last 12 months.

And it adds a lot of value to speed-up development time for applications.

A subproject will be skins for RebGUI. That way we can split the 
team.

The hackers.

It will be interesting

multi-column table, and a data-form dialect.

:-))

Ok, need to go... see you guys...

Not sure I understand correctly what is a "hack session" !
Can one connect me ?

Gabriele - thank you so much for planning a sightseeing trip in Rome 
and negotiating a reduced hotel rate.  That is really above and beyond 
the call of duty.  My one piece of feedback is regarding the schedule. 
 I helped plan Handango's annual conferences and the one thing I 
learned early on is that bathroom breaks are very important.  I noticed 
the schedule has no breaks.  You might want to add in a few 15 minute 
breaks, otherwise you'll have people walking in and out of the sessions.

done (thanks to Cindy too, which gave the same suggestion and reworked 
the schedule). I have updated the schedule.

(breaks were somewhat "implied" but i guess that's a very bad idea. 
better to have them explicitly in the schedule.)

DideC: "hacking" together at a project, i.e. writing something together.

Gabriele, is it too late to add a presentation slot for me? (I thought 
I already had one (-  ) Topic would be:

	Building & selling REBOL-based solutions - theory and practice.

or if folks preferred:

	Building REBOL-based community projects - RebGUI case study.

Ashley I give you +1 for the first one.

And +1 for the second.

+1 for the first

I would like to see following topic covered - Rebol deployment - 
how to link rebol into other environments - library wrappers, callbacks, 
what would language extensions bring us etc. Such session would have 
to be done by Rebol experienced programmer, who eventually will be 
able to get some supporting info from RT about what is planned. So 
- DevCon05 is near, plans changed - 1.3, SDK priority etc, but NONE 
of last DevCon stuff appeared. I would like to hear how long will 
we wait for already announced stuff like ReBIN, RIF, async, LNS, 
etc.

but maybe this one will be covered by Carl during his keynote speach, 
I would like to hear some more realistic schedules though :-)