World: r3wp

as cyphre connect once per week it's not easy for me to advance

Is there a tool to enumerate all the path to the text fields in a 
RebGui application.   Rebol is great to draw interfaces, but boy 
is it owerwhelming to find the path of those fields.  I did not find 
the way (if there is one) with Anamonitor003.   To have an idea of 
what I talk see my never finished pet at www.biblex.org.

lay: layout[text "1" text "2"]
probe lay/pane/1/text

Normand I'm glad to see that some of the UI ideas form MDP-GUI have 
been retaked into BibleX ;à

normand normally soon we will see Menu bar and popupMenu in REBGUI 
This will allow you to improve and simplifie the UI of BiBlex ;)

So many things on the fire actually ... We need to achieve some widgets 
insertion and discuss why some widgets are not inserted to rebgui 
actually...

I'm trying to make SVG rendering widget but as you can see in sVG 
RENDERER group I have many problems in translation and until now 
I'm stuck so maybe it's the appropriate time for me to seek for the 
accomplishement of yet on cooking widgets...

Graham: End of fin year and Q2 GST.

Normand: Try the following;

display "Test" [
	a: text "Name"
	b: field
	do [c: face]
]
do-events
halt

Latest build available at: http://www.dobeash.com/files/RebGUI-032.zip


*** Unzip this file into your existing RebGUI 0.3.0 distribution. 
Requires View 1.3. ***

Highlights include:

	- New keycode handler (to assign keystrokes to actions)

 - Tab focus expanded to include button handling (see %focus-demo.r 
 for details)
	- Buttons are now image based
	- Number of password widget fixes

 - Added basic SVG support (proof of concept at this stage - shadwolf 
 is working on *real* SVG support)
	- Added icon and svg-toolbar widgets to support above
	- Large number of bug fixes

 - Bit of code refactoring (split layout logic out of display function)

ashley: dragging the cursor (mouse left/right while left button down) 
on top of a password field with hidden text, makes the cursor position 
not correspond accurately to the position of the mouse. very very 
small thing, I know, but if you want it perfect. :-)

I notice that there is no cursor in a text field now when the field 
is empty.

Good work on the focus changes.

I like the field undo option. Very nice.

There's no %images/logo.png for the tour.r script to load in the 
archive. I just grabbed one myself, but thought you might want to 
know for others.

ah, I see that is addressed if I go to the download page, rather 
than just clicking links in AltME :-)

rich text, damne! :-) How should we know, what shortcut keys belong 
to what buttons ;-)

Inconsistency between button and arrows ... buttons are hovered, 
when you move mouse over, arrows are not. What is more - they are 
flat, they don't move up and down, like button does, only background 
color changes. Shouldn't it be unified? That is imo why UI rules 
should exist first - we should decide what and how should behave 
and work towards that imo ...

I am not on WinXP right now, but small comment towards tabbing of 
button. It works. Once you move your mouse over another button, the 
original one looses its tabbing, while I think it should not .... 
well, it seems to me the action still works, but hover color is lost 
...

Any chance to get the multi-column list to work in the next release? 
So that it's possible to select, add, delete entries. How about in-cell 
editing?

mine is working the dynamic data are not affected ...

that's the only remaining point to solve and add the text edition 
too..

Yes, the list works to show stuff, but I can't select an entry and 
get a feedback into my code. Or is it possible?

Possible with text-list (see %tour.r) but not table [yet].

It works with mine too

you have a built in var in it to retrieve information

picked var is used to store in my multi column list widget the selected 
line content

so the programmer that use the listview widget have only to make 
a test on listview/picked content if none -> no line is picked (so 
for example prompt an alert to the user either make processing of 
the listview/picked content

Is there something new in the pipeline? Or has the project slowed 
down?

one of my friends would imediatelly switch to RebGUI, but not without 
more solid table/grid element ...

... simply ability to display data is essential for most apps :-) 
He tried Cyphre's grid, and although it is the most complete style 
we saw yet, it does not allow things as keyboard navigation, display 
of only selected columns without rebuilding data-block ....

I hope mine will be able to do that when I get something more meaningful 
done. selected columns for viewing is already now something you don't 
need to worry about in my list, but I still have much work to do...

Robert, I'm waiting for a few things in the REBOL world to stabilize 
a bit before proceeding. Specifically:

1) The new REBOL/View system documentation
2) The new OS X version of REBOL/View
3) New SDK builds
4) Couple of AGG fixes

The two big design issues I'm grappling with at the moment are:


1) Look & feel, especially in light of the availability of View on 
OS X

2) Whether to revert to View 1.2 compatibility (and not use AGG) 
given the lack of a 1.3 SDK

and although it is the most complete style we saw yet 

 when I see comments like this I doesn't  want to make efforts ... 
 Have you tryed my listview widget ?

see http://www.rebolfrance.info/articles/regui-cooking-widgs

2) IMO RT can provide them quite fast. So we just need to bug Carl 
about it. Shouldn't be a show-stopper.

buing Carl should work better, as he then can bui other people. Throwing 
more bugs at him would slow things down?! But to do that, someone 
would have to buy us, so we can buy, hmmm...

simply said - and as most are probably scared to say it loudly, so 
here is "Bad" pekr once again :-) Current marketing model of RT still 
does not seem to work. Although community involvement was big help, 
it still does not seem to solve overal situation - publicly visible 
roadmap, schedules, case studies on website, etc.

I thought VitalNeeds announcement can change things, but I am not 
sure ... still waiting how they will help to make REBOL more publicly 
visible ...

OTOH i had a really interesting look at my floor, suddenly sitting 
there, after reading there is a running OS/X, in such a short time 
after 1.3 and Carl saying "now we really do that". OK, he said that 
the n-th time, but this time he did, in short time. so..

I know ... I just received email from old time reboller who's name 
I will not disclose, but he is right - why we are still pretending 
we have some secret weapon? The rest of the world really does not 
care:


  I don't want to know anything that the public won't be told. Why 
  do I
need a special handshake just to find out what REBOL intends 
  to do
someday? I just want to be a satisfied customer, I have no 
  desire to
be part of a secret club. Aren't plans and roadmaps what 
  you share
with customers? I have no need for secret organizations, 
  closed door
policies, or special preferential relationships.

Good 
  ideas need to withstand the harsh light of day, which is a
by-product 
  of openness and transparency. MS and other companies do not
care 
  one bit if REBOL is open-source-- they are so far beyond caring
about 
  that. RT has no first-mover advantage or special secret that
makes 
  REBOL a dangerous disruptive technology, and if it did,
open-source 
  or not, they could recreate it within a year (maybe not
compact, 
  but no one will care). Remember MS employs some of the top
scientists 
  from functional programming in their labs.

ah, wrong group for all the discussion, sorry ... just last note 
here - I still see urgent need for RT to change their public image, 
towards developers, customers, investors ... better website is needed.

... all good things here - as working cooperation of dev community 
with RT should be used as marketing advantage and should be described 
on web-site as a good, working model .... that should happen on REBOL.com 
- but creating of new site needs real strategy, especially marketing 
wise ...

What is the latest RebGui version that can be used with Rebol/View 
< 1.3  ?

022

but  what enoys me is that ppl here are too pending on the will and 
effort of RT and not ready to participate actively apporting code 
to this project or others

Thanks..

0.2.4 actually. ;)

** Script Error: white has no value
** Where: context
** Near: edit: white
over: gold
menu:
** Press enter to quit...

Error message when running tour.r with the new encap.

I would have liked "** Script Error: White is no color" more ;-)

Occurring here ...

	colors: make object! [
		window:		236.233.216		; used by display.r
		widget:		244.243.238
;		widget:		248.248.248
		edge:		127.157.185
		edit:		white			; area, field, password, etc
		over:		gold			; active button, tab, splitter, etc
		menu:		49.106.197		; menu, popup highlight
		btn-up:		200.214.251
		btn-down:	216.232.255
		btn-text:	77.97.133
	]