World: r3wp

Ashley mentioned he has something small. And Cyphre has too, but 
commercially closed.

Cyphre can't use his code .. but that doesn't mean he can't take 
the knowledge and apply it

Pekr: I know that Cyphre has put a few large city maps into DRAW, 
and they looked pretty good. We just need to get him to tell us more 
about it.

unless there's a non compete clause.

http://www.dobeash.com/files/svg-demo.zipfor Ashley SVG renderer 
drawer script

AShley rocks but inkscape ouput is not supported until now

Ashley promised to add more rocks when we start with small (as in 
features) images and grow.

http://shadwolf.free.fr/fraisier.pnghttp://shadwolf.free.fr/fraisier.png

do you ppl think that SVG along with CSS are future of web? That 
html as we know it today, will be put to rest in few years?

this is my first big image draw intent with  inkscape ...

sure the ideal thing would be to have a rebol clone of inkscape ... 
But this will take lot of time to write ...

http://shadwolf.free.fr/fraisier.png

sorry for the bad link ...

btw instead of those zips, should we change to view-desktop for demos?

I want rebol clone of Scala multimedia better :-) SVG is nice, but 
I want things to move and move fast and smoothly - impossible today 
...

the only thing that I wasnt able to do is use TTF font files with 
Inscape

Pekr: on Scala - yes me too!

we should integrate fmod for sound, and bitstream for fonts - even 
Qt uses bitstream and the basic engine is under 150KB?

Carl - what would be needed? My impression is, that smooth scrolling 
is not possible with Win32 API?

I remember talking to Dave Haynie and he told me, that when working 
in Scala, they had to code own sub-os, to get precise timers, synchronisation 
etc. So - dunno. Took lots of work for them. And Rebol has to be 
cross-platform, so, maybe it is impossible to achieve. But you know 
better - you're the media guy! :-)

If all is needed is DirectX - then go for it, I think it is on every 
Windows machine nowadays ...

Pekr, how long ago was that?  Hardware has got more powerful  ... 
Moore's law

and btw - will min-face concept help in that regard?

Graham - it is basic logic - try to move face per pixel - you get 
very jerky result, slow. Then download some Scala demo - AMAZING. 
You will FEEL the difference. And Carl told us some time ago, that 
rebol already uses double-buffering ...

... so my question is rather simple - can it ever be done, using 
plain Win32 API?

IIRC Carl also planned to improve granularity of event system, introduce 
view plug-ins, but I don't know ...

hum directX  this means bye bye portability ..

I think that you need to look at where Rebol/View is going to be 
used, and decide how best to improve those areas where the market 
opportunity is greatest.  Is smooth animation that opportunity?

These are things to be added... but by a team of people.  Should 
move this discussion out of this group.

switching group? but graphcs is important to rebgui! :)

Most of us just want a decent cross platform development toolkit.

that is complete in it's widget set.

dx can be wrapped and made cross-plattform.

Even though the embedded market is important, the desktop market 
is much more important .. IMHO

I agree with that statement.

I found the proper SVG output  format for InkScape it's SVG Plain 
text (this format is lighter than the normal SVG output fomat

here is the fraisier.svg version ;)

http://shadwolf.free.fr/fraisier-plaintext.svg

we save 4ko and the format seems to be more close of the one of Sodipodi 
(witch have been used to draw the iconset gived by Ashley in svg-demo.zip)

I'm playing with ashley's svg-demo.r script code in order to understand 
it and know what are missing in it. I took as reference the blender.svg 
file because it's tiny and half rendered.  I constate that <g></g> 
block that encap transformations and transformed things is not support 
and LinearGradient is not supported too ...

How can I handle in DRAW/AGG the transform matrice ability ?

better changing to AGG groupe sorry

do %rebgui.r
display "RebGuiTest" compose/deep/only [
        label "Query" t: text 40 "" return
		a: area 100x50 "In the beginning, "
        button "Insert" [
				insert a/text "Title{}"
				; edit-text a enter

    insert tail a/text "And from a barely documented VID, a need for 
    something bare but easy to document: RebGui.  And the user saw it 
    was good."
				; edit-text a enter
				show a
        ]

do [at face/pane/3/text 10 insert tail face/pane/3/text "there was 
View 1.3.  "]
] ; End Display
do-events

How to move the cursor to inside the brackets of Title{->Here<-}.

How to enter a newline, and more generally use the function defined 
in rebgui-edit.r into the area?
** Script Error: edit-text has no value
** Where: action
** Near: edit-text a enter

More generally, how to enter a string and move the cursor after the 
insertion of it.  Thanks for an answer to this 'II am New' question 
pertaining to RebGui.

This should get you going:

display "Test" [
	a: area 100x50 "Title {}"
	do [
		rebfocus a
		system/view/caret: back system/view/caret
		show a
	]
]


The RebGUI edit-text function (and indeed the majority of the edit 
context) is designed to be used from within RebGUI widgets ... it's 
not "user-space" functionality. Manipulating text and / or focus 
is done via the standard view mechanisms (system/view/caret, focal-face, 
highlight-start & highlight-end) ... RebGUI just provides an encapsulated 
front-end to these. Depending on what sort of operations need to 
be performed (e.g. move the cursor to the Nth character), we can 
certainly add additional user-space functions (much like rebfocus), 
we just need to define what these functions are and how common their 
use would be.

I have done the set of svg icons you ask me using inskscape plain 
text svg (the lighter svg format ...) you can get it here http://shadwolf.free.fr/RebGUI-svg-icons.zip
 .It's not author marking and it's my own work so no problems with 
rights issue.

I hope you will found them reliable ...

now we have to focus on the widget SVG that can renderise them ;)

Looks good under Opera. Has the SVG renderer you and Vincent have 
been working on got to the stage where it can display these? If so, 
post a link and I'll integrate that in. The entry point will be a 
function named 'load-svg in a separate file so we don't have to worry 
about "widget clutter", and I've already added a new 'icon widget 
and updated toolbar widget which use the 'load-svg function ... so 
we should be ready to go.

actually not because we have several problems on recursion group 
interpretation on gradient effect (fill and for border line fill) 
so now we are trying to make a better engine that can be use more 
efficient ly rebol object! properties we are basing our work on xml-to-object 
function ...

SVG format is so blury that you can't match it to a predeterminate 
struture you have to do a structure analyst for each leaf of the 
the object tree then get the needed information from leaf and nodes 
then convert them to rebol then apply the draw