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Yeksoon, I agree. Numpad also throws the kb offcenter relative to 
user. Not good for laps.

Become left-handed and it's solved :-))

no

The mouse has always been a rather clumsy context shift for the user...;-)

either add some btns on left to balance it out

or take it off

mouse <--> keyboard is too much of a context shift the way they are 
at present.

It's really funny, I never had this problem because I have my mouse 
on the left side of the keyboard.

i did that too for years

One of the very, very rare cases a left-handed person has an advantage...

(on tablet - slow)

must get mic for speech input

Tablet's (or better all hand recognition) software is something that 
doesn't work for a left-handed. I write the characters the other 
way. The SW can't handle it :-))

tablet IS slower than paper...;-)   I forget what I was going to 
'write" with the pen in the 4 minutes it takes XP to boot...

So, just one of those very, very common problems...

I tried to train speech on tablet by reading the fairy tale in the 
XP tablet tools...it never recognized anything I spoke (I know my 
speech is tough to understand) but even if I said "blah blah blah 
blah" the tablet acted like it understood me reading the fairy tale. 
 Maybe there is a better version.

Carl - no laptop has numpad :-) Or those dozens I worked with ....

I call my internet keyboard "The Surf-BoardTM" ... ;-)

In fact - I never found use for additional keyboard buttons as handling 
sound, player, custom apps launch, sleep and I don't touch mouse 
if I don't have to .... there must be something strange with me ...

I even have special keys for cut, copy and paste, but I am used to 
old way ctrl + particular-button ....

ah, I have tried some other keyboads, like with the special buttons, 
the wireless part of WebTV was nice...but for sure we need to have 
REBOL embedded in a wireless keyboard...that would be nice.

just found out that Logitech does have a 'diNovo'  but the retail 
price is on the high side 

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/CA/EN,CRID=1,CONTENTID=7321

The problem with special keys and its usage is, that I don't want 
to use such special keys - I do use many PCs actively, notebooks, 
and once some PC does not have such keys, it slows my process of 
work ...

yeah, Logitech doesn't get it either...I have read lots of laptop 
keyboard patents...;-)

The problem with many keyboards is that they are not risc-- they 
need to focus on the most frequent actions .

this text is being influenced by speech recognition

it is a lot faster to input text this way when it comes to things 
like instant messaging

especially when using a tablet that has no keyboard -- that can be 
a big problem

IBM has some patents, too...

the raisin on a one to get rid of the number pad is that it makes 
the keyboard off center

What do you prefer on notebook - touchpad as a mouse, or that IBM's 
- how to call it - stick between the keys?

IBM thinkpad's keyboard is pretty good...

a Korean contact of mine has tried to penetrate the US market with 
Tablets for nearly 8 years...and it is still not a winner.

this throws your whole body off center  for hours at a time-- this 
becomes eight more serious problem if you put the keyboard in your 
lap

eight    a speech thing?

another problem with modern keyboards is that they are built for 
the lowest cost not for the best ergonomics

keyboards are sold at retail prices of between ten to $30.00

that means their manufacturing cost is between five and $15.00 -- 
so very few companies are motivated to innovate on keyboard design

you can get it 10-30 in Singapore dollars as well (US$1 = SGD$1.63; 
approx)

I think the Tablet needs 95% graphics operated computing before it 
becomes a market winner.

well, even arrows, delete, insert etc. makes it off-center ... but 
- is that really so big problem? I never thought about it that way 
... the only thing I need now is wireless keyboard to have it with 
me on ma sofa :-)

by a normally use a $60.00 keyboard that has an ergonomic split and 
is also wireless but the company , logitek has stopped making it 
-- unfortunately

some of the ergonomics have not yet been worked out by them either...;-)

Pekr, you can take a look at IBM Thinkpad's keyboard. They have manage 
to make it balanced with the arrow keys and stuffs.


A lot of the other laptops manufacturers don't get it, even Apple. 
(and I use Macs as well)

the reason it is a big problem is that when you're sitting in the 
same place for ten or more hours in a little thing in every little 
thing will eventually effect you

effect .... Speech? or are you typing?

Microsoft speech recognition really sucks all

yeksoon - but I hate it ... switching between 3 notebooks each of 
different brands every of them has arrows, delete, insert etc. keys 
at different positions ....

yes I am speaking

speech is improving..it seems