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especially when using a tablet that has no keyboard -- that can be 
a big problem

IBM has some patents, too...

the raisin on a one to get rid of the number pad is that it makes 
the keyboard off center

What do you prefer on notebook - touchpad as a mouse, or that IBM's 
- how to call it - stick between the keys?

IBM thinkpad's keyboard is pretty good...

a Korean contact of mine has tried to penetrate the US market with 
Tablets for nearly 8 years...and it is still not a winner.

this throws your whole body off center  for hours at a time-- this 
becomes eight more serious problem if you put the keyboard in your 
lap

eight    a speech thing?

another problem with modern keyboards is that they are built for 
the lowest cost not for the best ergonomics

keyboards are sold at retail prices of between ten to $30.00

that means their manufacturing cost is between five and $15.00 -- 
so very few companies are motivated to innovate on keyboard design

you can get it 10-30 in Singapore dollars as well (US$1 = SGD$1.63; 
approx)

I think the Tablet needs 95% graphics operated computing before it 
becomes a market winner.

well, even arrows, delete, insert etc. makes it off-center ... but 
- is that really so big problem? I never thought about it that way 
... the only thing I need now is wireless keyboard to have it with 
me on ma sofa :-)

by a normally use a $60.00 keyboard that has an ergonomic split and 
is also wireless but the company , logitek has stopped making it 
-- unfortunately

some of the ergonomics have not yet been worked out by them either...;-)

Pekr, you can take a look at IBM Thinkpad's keyboard. They have manage 
to make it balanced with the arrow keys and stuffs.


A lot of the other laptops manufacturers don't get it, even Apple. 
(and I use Macs as well)

the reason it is a big problem is that when you're sitting in the 
same place for ten or more hours in a little thing in every little 
thing will eventually effect you

effect .... Speech? or are you typing?

Microsoft speech recognition really sucks all

yeksoon - but I hate it ... switching between 3 notebooks each of 
different brands every of them has arrows, delete, insert etc. keys 
at different positions ....

yes I am speaking

speech is improving..it seems

all all all Microsoft likes adding a lot of other words all all all

affect is the right word

I have been using speech recognition off and on as a test case or 
more than twenty years all

Carl, maybe you can create custom speach dialect ... even MS words 
let's you to write your own corrections ... so just link some your 
speach habits and tell app what should it say instead :-)

MS Word

unfortunately all it is not a lot better today than all it was all 
all all all twenty years ago

do you really think I'll use Microsoft word all all

so can you speak a REBOL script into here? Oops forgot, not Messenger 
where do [ view/new layout [ box ] ]  can be done...

no, that was just example ... dunno if speach sw would allow anything 
like that ... so you would teach it to some of your speach patterns 
and tell it how to interpret it ....

let me try all

first let me turn off this bill because it is messing up the speech 
recognition I think that is where the word call is coming from all 
all

doesn't John Ousterhout, Tcl creator, use speech stuffs as well.. 
bcos of RSI problems

we are afraid Carl is imitating Max Headroom...;-)

OK but see if this is better -- I don't know what insane programmer 
decided that you should ring the bell whenever a word is recognized 
by the speech recognition software -- that is about as stupid as 
it gets

then we will have to do it ourselves - speach recognition in REBOL 
:-) But we would either need library, or fast VM/port for fast performance 
... otoh it surely is not easy to do such kind of stuff ...

Pekr...keys in diferrent positions.  I have that problem of swiching 
machines too.

In the ideal world, I'd have one personal keyboard and use it on 
any machine. Without having to do all the unplugging. driver upgrading, 
and rebooting first....eFishAnt can you design the ultimate portable 
keyboard for me!?

that is where that word all was coming from -- two bill gates a ding 
sound has the same sound as the word all

wow...that sounds like a GREAT QUOTE for a WEB PAGE ... LOL

if that is as good as speech recognition gets I think I could do 
better in probably about a month of programming -- I have been thinking 
about this problem for more than two decades -- while at apple computer 
by a push to get speech recognition to be part of every Macintosh 
-- but was unsuccessful

Sunanda - there is already virtual keyboard available, but you need 
clean desk for it ... dunno if it is usable at all, but fits nicely 
PDAs etc. - it is projection technology ...

I have seen that to -- an interesting way to input characters

Seen it too, thanks, Petr......So won't work easily on a train or 
plane.

there are so many keyboard designs that come and go over the years

http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/Products.asp

Designs coming and going .....That's why I'd like to keep the keyboard 
that works for me........But only after I find it.

But then I still use a personal fountain pen rather than utility 
biros.  May be I'm old-fashioned.

I just noticed that we are in the web development room

what we probably need is a weekend chat room