World: r3wp

Problem with clipboard is not related to only Linux version, there 
are some problems even under Windows. Source code to Altme is not 
publicly available, so we can't fix it ourselves. I don't remember 
any hacks to the Linux version of Altme, re clipboard issues, but 
I never used Altme under Linux ....

Linux has two clipboards. AltME looks like it uses the cut/paste 
clipboard, but it actually uses the middle-mouse-button clipboard

It's a disaster. You have to select, then middle click to paste, 
and often you first have to clear the target field even before you 
select the source field

Haha correct! But more than that. You have to select text at AltME, 
you have to right-click the selection at AltME, and then use the 
middle-click at the target text editor at OS (where your text is 
safe to be copied using usual means). As a text editor, gedit can 
be used.

It works ok.

Thank you Kaj!

Did you find the Linux Rebol packages useful?

Which ones?

lubuntu (light ubuntu) problems.

sudo green_meadow/computer_house/AltME/042/altme 
[sudo] password for gouslar: 

green_meadow/computer_house/AltME/042/altme: error while loading 
shared libraries: libXaw7.so.7: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
Ok
ldd green_meadow/computer_house/AltME/042/altme 
	linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xf77b5000)
	libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6 (0xf766a000)

 libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXext.so.6 (0xf7657000)
	libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXt.so.6 (0xf75fa000)
	libXaw7.so.7 => not found
	libXmu.so.6 => not found

 libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 (0xf750f000)

 libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libfreetype.so.6 (0xf7478000)
	libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0xf744d000)
	libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0xf7448000)
	libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xf742a000)
	libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xf72ae000)
	libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxcb.so.1 (0xf728f000)
	libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSM.so.6 (0xf7285000)
	libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libICE.so.6 (0xf726b000)
	/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf77b6000)
	libz.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 (0xf7256000)
	libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXau.so.6 (0xf7252000)

 libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXdmcp.so.6 (0xf724b000)
	libuuid.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libuuid.so.1 (0xf7244000)
Ok
lsb_release -dr
Description:	Ubuntu 11.10
Release:	11.10
Ok
uname -asm

Linux greenmeadow 3.0.0-14-generic #23-Ubuntu SMP Mon Nov 21 20:28:43 
UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Ok


How do I fix missing "libXaw7.so.7" and "libXmu.so.6"?

My Ubuntu 11.04 apt repos broke completely with no prev. reason, 
so I installed lubuntu oneiric

Evgeniy: try with `apt-get install libxaw7 libxmu6`.

Try this link  http://www.maxvessi.net/rebsite/Linux/index.php

Still no luck with both methods. I can investigate this myself, just 
too currently lazy to do it.

A report about my adventures:

sudo aptitude install libxaw7 libxmu6
[sudo] password for gouslar: 

0 packages installed, updated or deleted. 0 bytes of archives received.
Ok
sudo aptitude search libxaw7 libxmu6

i A libxaw7                         - X11 Athena Widget library  
               

p   libxaw7-dbg                     - X11 Athena Widget library (debug 
package) 

p   libxaw7-dev                     - X11 Athena Widget library (development 
hea

i A libxmu6                         - X11 miscellaneous utility library 
        

p   libxmu6-dbg                     - X11 miscellaneous utility library 
(debug p
Ok
sudo ldconfig
Ok
ldd 042/altme 
...
	libXaw7.so.7 => not found
	libXmu.so.6 => not found
...
Ok
ls /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXmu*
No such file(s).
Ok
ls /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXaw*
No such file(s).
Ok

Then, I installed rebol-2.7.8.4.3-4.amd64.deb from maxvessi.net.

(GTK-DEBI installer was saying to 47 additional packages, then it 
hung before downloaded anything. I killed some processes it created. 
Then I re-ran gdebi, it said all dependencies of 'rebol' are satisfied 
and installed 'rebol' quickly.)

Then, I re-ran:

ldd 042/altme 
...
	libXaw7.so.7 => not found
	libXmu.so.6 => /usr/lib32/libXmu.so.6 (0xf75c3000)
...
Ok
sudo aptitude install libXaw7 libxaw7-dbg libxaw7-dev
...it installed 21 new package...
Ok
ldd 042/altme 
...
	libXaw7.so.7 => not found
...
Ok
042/altme 

altme: error while loading shared libraries: libXaw7.so.7: wrong 
ELF class: ELFCLASS64
Ok

Ah. It expects a 32-bit ELFCLASS, probably.

And I am using a 64-bit OS.

Xmu links to .../lib32/...

ls /usr/lib32/libXaw*

/usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so      /usr/lib32/libXaw7.so        /usr/lib32/libXaw.so.7
/usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so.6    /usr/lib32/libXaw7.so.7
/usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so.6.1  /usr/lib32/libXaw7.so.7.0.0
Ok

I don't know: How to make altme find it? It exists!

Maybe another ldconfig?

Hmm. Was hacking a bit more. I cannot get ldconfig to be sane and 
include all file names into its cache, tried all ways it seems.

ldconfig -p|grep libXaw
	libXaw3d.so.6 (libc6) => /usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so.6
	libXaw3d.so (libc6) => /usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so
	libXaw.so.7 (libc6,x86-64) => /usr/lib/libXaw.so.7
	libXaw.so.7 (libc6) => /usr/lib32/libXaw.so.7
	libXaw.so (libc6,x86-64) => /usr/lib/libXaw.so
Ok
ldconfig -p|grep libXaw7
Ok
ls -l /usr/lib32/libXaw*

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     13 2011-10-08 05:30 /usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so 
-> libXaw3d.so.6

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     15 2011-10-08 05:30 /usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so.6 
-> libXaw3d.so.6.1

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 297332 2010-05-10 02:48 /usr/lib32/libXaw3d.so.6.1

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     12 2011-10-08 05:30 /usr/lib32/libXaw7.so 
-> libXaw7.so.7

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     16 2011-10-08 05:30 /usr/lib32/libXaw7.so.7 
-> libXaw7.so.7.0.0

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 373352 2011-02-19 04:17 /usr/lib32/libXaw7.so.7.0.0

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     12 2011-10-08 05:30 /usr/lib32/libXaw.so.7 
-> libXaw7.so.7
Ok

And ld.so.conf includes /usr/lib32/

Kaj: Which 'another' ldconfig? I re-ran ldconfig frequently

I re-ran it when all *Xaw7* were already present and /usr/lib32/ 
was present at ld.so.conf.d/biarch*.conf. After that re-running, 
*Xaw7* was still missing from its cache. Why? And how to force it 
into a cache?

It seems I need ldconfig sources to understand what is going on with 
it.

too lazy

That's what I meant. rerunning ldconfig, if ldd still can't find 
a library

You could try setting $LD_LIBRARY_PATH before calling altme, to force 
the 32 bits libraries to be searched first

It's probably empty by default on an Ubuntu derivative

Yay this worked! But it's ldconfig's fault to not handle that beforehand

cat > altme.sh
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib32:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
/home/gouslar/green_meadow/computer_house/AltME/042/altme
Ok
chmod u+x ./altme.sh 
Ok
./altme.sh 
Ok

now it works perfectly

Hehe. Just a random fun: on #gnu: <man> hi gnudists!

:-)

hmm. tar is unoptimal on linux. tar shows 20% cpu usage on the following:

tar -xzvf debian-hurd.img.tar.gz
debian-hurd-20111214.img
Ok
ls -Hl
size=3146776576 debian-hurd-20111214.img
size=260521812 debian-hurd.img.tar.gz
Ok

it must show 0.0000(0)1 cpu usage on optimal OS and fs and tar implementation

gzip shows 45% cpu while this

Are there desktop gadgets sitting on the screen background and screen 
foreground etc available on Linux, who knows?

Is there such a desktop environment?

The article http://www.scribd.com/doc/55687428/Gadgetsattributes 
the first use of the word gadget regarding the software to AmigaOS.

I want +"screengadgets" +software +linux --- but there's NONE!!! 
:(

SHIT. GTK+ 3.x now supports CSS.
machines get slower and slower with all of that
stupid architects

http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.2/

I discard GTK+ into a trashcan with such directions of development.
Qt supports CSS either. Trashcan, too.

I guess that's why people are sticking with GTK+ 2.x.

m.: EFL has a set of pretty light libraries
--- what's EFL?

--- m., this? http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=about/eflThe 
Enlightenment Foundation Libraries (EFL)

this url is an interesting stuff. One can program graphics bypassing 
X

Is that so? EFL was always built on X