World: r3wp

Volker: so basically a software developer in linux does not distribute 
to users, but to distro makers, which in turn distribute to users? 
See, it's evil. Things should just run. That's how it worked on Amiga...

Robert: noone supports RH 7.2 anymore (not even RH), so basically 
you are on your own for everything you want to run there. With REBOL, 
actually, things are easy because it has very minimal dependencies 
(almost only the libc)

maybe you can make it work as Volker suggests using LD_LIBRARY_PATH. 
the good thing about linux is that, even though the design is so 
poor, you can still make it do what you want in most situations (however 
this often means hard work)

i wouldn't recommend upgrading the libc system-wide, something like 
that usually breaks everything.

Hm... ok. How to upgrade my distro without breaking everything down? 
Can this be done?

I mean, it's a system running in a data-center, and I really have 
to have this system up and running.

Gabriele: No, a software-maker distributes sourcecode to experts 
until somebody things that academic system should be marketed as 
windows-competition :)

Then yes, making everything fit together is the distributors job.

Amiga had a different design. In my experience, if you work against 
the design, you have problems. In linux case, the design is "distribute 
as source". If that works bad, its evil. If binaries works bad, thats 
bad luck..

Robert: it might be easy to pick a new box and move data. But, the 
effort to make REBOL  work is probably much smaller.

(I don't have a RH7.2 box to test this out, otherwise I'd give you 
more details on how you could make it work.)

Volker do you need RH 7? Else upgrade to Fedora 4... plug and play 
actualy, Not my Linux Linux flavor, but Fedora hits close to RH 8.. 
Or else look for fedora 3 ?? RH 7 i guess.. You install it in less 
then 15 minutes !!! just did it today..

Sorry its Robert..not volker..

I had the same problems with the last /view release 1.3 on my old 
Slackware machine.. the dependency libs where knowwhere to find... 
else then hidden deep inside gcc somewhere..

Can the datacenter give a temporary second box?

Robert: like Volker, my prefered path fro a mostly read  dataserver 
would be setup/test/populate new_data_server; stop updates on old_data_server 
switch nameserver to new_data_server

after all traffic is mirgated to new_data_server yank old_data_server

Ok, thanks. I think about it.

I have to deal this with the data-center guys.

GCC 4.1 Released

A well, this is too bad. The Debian distro is on DVD, but the computer 
does not have a DVD, only CDROM.

I've scanned the Debian docs, which are quite good, but found no 
mention of how to create a CDROM from the DVDROM.

Sniffing around, it looks like they merged all the CDROM pool files 
into a single huge main directory.

So, there goes the idea of pulling out a single CDROM image somehow... 
unless I can figure out the package dependencies.

I suppose perhaps the alternative is to build a boot floppy and install 
over FTP from the box that has the dvdrom. It's been years since 
I had to do that. Too bad Debian doesn't provide a little script 
to cut CDROMS from the DVD. I've got to guess I'm not the only person 
with this issue.

And you have to wonder why they need a 10GB distro. "Just give me 
the main system and libs please" - no bloatedness, thanks.

You could go with Knoppix or Ubuntu, which are both debian-based, 
but fit on a floppy.

whoa

cd rom, not floppy.

Wow. Big difference there, total brain fart.

I've got Ubuntu already.

It's not a great dev system.

True, but can't you add what you need via apt-get or the GUI?  think 
the GUI is called "Adept" or just "Package Manager"

The libc bits on an up-to-date "Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS (v. 3 
for x86)"  
 


-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root      1144368 Mar 24  2004 libstdc++-2-libc6.1-1-2.9.0.so

-rw-r--r--    1 root     root       426620 Mar 24  2004 libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.a

-r-xr-xr-x    1 root     root       408440 Mar 24  2004 libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           30 Dec 22  2004 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 
-> libstdc++-2-libc6.1-1-2.9.0.so

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           30 Dec 22  2004 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.a.3 
-> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.a

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           31 Dec 22  2004 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 
-> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           20 Dec 22  2004 libstdc++.so.2.7.2 
-> libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8

-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root      1025339 Mar 24  2004 libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           18 Dec 22  2004 libstdc++.so.2.8 
-> libstdc++.so.2.8.0

-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       375773 Mar 24  2004 libstdc++.so.2.8.0

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           22 Dec 22  2004 libstdc++.so.2.9 
-> libstdc++.so.2.9.dummy

-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         5428 Mar 24  2004 libstdc++.so.2.9.dummy

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           18 Sep 29 18:51 libstdc++.so.5 
-> libstdc++.so.5.0.3

-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       709456 Jul 19  2005 libstdc++.so.5.0.3

Im pretty sure it is up to version 4  by now though

Brian, I did. That's were the current rebol-ubuntu came from. Problem 
is, it does not seem that standard. Most of the Linux boxes here 
won't run it.

This may be a wild goose hunt. Hard to say. I'd just like to have 
something a bit more standard for our Linux distro.

How about Gentoo?

Mandriva

Carl, you can download a minimal installation CD for Debian that 
will install extra packages over the Internet:

http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en.html

Personally I would temporarily hook up a DVD drive to that machine, 
though

Another, easy, option would be MEPIS Linux. It's much closer to Debian 
than Ubuntu, although based on a newer version than the stable version. 
And very easy to install

Gentoo +1

Well as I said befor... Slackware and debian are the only two with 
unmodified lib and kernel structures.. and are great development 
envs...a pitty though about that dvd from debian..

Well its all abuot what your useto in using ;-)

people who startout using Ubuntu, Fedora or Redhat find themselfs 
In an Linux world that not even default with i.e. Disk-Structures 
on Tru64 or Solaris or HPUX.. while using other Linux distributions 
from around 1995 they stick with the UNIX system (IV|V) layout..But 
when it comes to development I can emagine to make a choice between 
"package handling" and "environment handling"... Then I would stick 
with debian..just has a better package manager...where slackware 
is a little more the "do it yourself package manager.." still 'tar 
does wonderful things.. for the user...

Btw... Thats why I like BSD above all ;-)

Knoppix can be installed and is is then a debian, so the rest can 
be apt-getted. damn small linux claims the same. Kanotix is a knoppix 
specially made for that. no guaratees..

Let me back up a bit.  No Linux wars here please.  I have about 10 
different Linux distros running..

However, all the newer ones give me problems. Here is why: I used 
to be able to build Libc6 and Libc5, and that was all that was necessary. 
 However, now if I build on Ubuntu and run it on Mandrake, it crashes... 
and every other combination.