World: r3wp
[Linux] group for linux REBOL users
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Pekr 17-Dec-2009 [3372] | mine is here - http://curecode.org/rebol3/ticket.rsp?id=1223&cursor=26 |
Kaj 17-Dec-2009 [3373x4] | So far, R3 for Linux is only there for 32 bits x86 |
If you're willing to test the host kit, I think Carl will be willing to bump the priority for other architectures | |
CALL having /WAIT hardwired is better than the reverse. Without /WAIT it's useless in most cases | |
You'll have to upgrade to Linux, Petr ;-) | |
Pekr 17-Dec-2009 [3377] | ... or stay with R2 :-) |
Maxim 17-Dec-2009 [3378] | now now pekr... I'll hold you to it... as you said before, everyone should use R3... ;-) |
Kaj 17-Dec-2009 [3379x2] | Ah, calls to the standard C system() function are in src/os/posix/host-lib.c |
Maxim, I didn't want to remind Petr :-) | |
Maxim 17-Dec-2009 [3381] | hehehe I keep reminding... I just like to rub his face in it everytime he mentions R2 ;-) |
Kaj 17-Dec-2009 [3382x10] | Very good :-) |
OS_Create_Process simply does | |
system(call); | |
OS_Browse does | |
system(cmd) | |
with a constructed URL | |
Both have an extra | |
int reserved | |
parameter, so presumably that would have to contain a code for the REBOL refinement | |
It's not clear how you could use that to implement complex refinements such as /output | |
Maxim 17-Dec-2009 [3392x2] | its possible Carl left some things for further consideration... we did pressure him into releasing sooner than later. |
call refinements would sit in well with something easily left for later. | |
Kaj 17-Dec-2009 [3394x2] | Well, quite a bit of extra consideration is needed here. There are no error codes returned, either |
Problem with the parameters is that the host interface will change when added later | |
Pekr 17-Dec-2009 [3396x2] | Maxim - you are off once again ... |
Call has nasty bugs, which are in CC for quite some time. It is just general disagreement, on how Call should be implemented. BrianH stated, that it is now more low-level, and I objected, that I don't care, or it is not usefull for most use cases ... | |
Kaj 17-Dec-2009 [3398] | Maxim is right that they are not bugs, but a very primitive implementation |
Pekr 17-Dec-2009 [3399x2] | I am now surprised the implementation differs between the platforms. Call is one of necessary beta quality fixes .... |
ah ... well, how is that it worked with R2? | |
Kaj 17-Dec-2009 [3401] | Carl once said that the C code for R2 CALL is 1200 lines. If he wasn't joking, he has saved 600-fold over that so far |
Pekr 17-Dec-2009 [3402x2] | BrianH is probably right, that because the code is part of host, we can fix it ourselves |
1200 lines? uh :-) | |
Maxim 17-Dec-2009 [3404] | it had some quirks and evolved at almost every iteration of the language. |
Kaj 17-Dec-2009 [3405x2] | Yes, I expect you to start coding now :-) |
Petr, that is | |
Pekr 17-Dec-2009 [3407] | I don't care for coding, I prefer to complain around, until it gets fixed ... |
Kaj 17-Dec-2009 [3408] | We know... |
Pekr 17-Dec-2009 [3409] | Kaj - so stop using the wrong attitude ... you just fit old R2 mental model :-) |
Kaj 17-Dec-2009 [3410x2] | Problem is, it's just complaining. You think it makes things go faster, but it doesn't |
I just analysed R3 code for you. How does that earn me an accusation of R2 mindset? | |
Pekr 17-Dec-2009 [3412] | http://www.rebol.net/wiki/REBOL_adoption#.22You_can_code_it_in_few_lines.22_attitude |
Kaj 17-Dec-2009 [3413] | Well, here's the news: by releasing host code, Carl has just extended that principle to the C code, as well |
Pekr 17-Dec-2009 [3414] | You see? I don't care. I can see it as an repetitive pattern, which is very wrong ... 80% of potential newcomers will NEVER actually care to implement anything themselves. I have seen the attitude with Gabriele, Holger, RT ... I hate it |
Kaj 17-Dec-2009 [3415] | That would be excellent, because 20% of your users contributing would be phenomenal |
Pekr 17-Dec-2009 [3416] | Not everyone can code. But I proposed bounties. I sponsored 500USD for networking protocols ... |
Kaj 17-Dec-2009 [3417] | Word just came out that even the VLC project, one ot the most popular programs ever, doesn't even have any contributors left for the Mac version |
Pekr 17-Dec-2009 [3418x2] | Yes, that is sad (VLC) |
I still think, that Amiga/MorphOS like bounties could be motivating factor for some ppl to pick-up and deliver some stuff for R3. | |
Maxim 17-Dec-2009 [3420] | pekr... one problem today is that people have come to an assumption that software programs itself. I don't know where that is coming from, but in ALL real projects... at some point, you actually do have to raise your sleeves and put a little effort into it. |
Kaj 17-Dec-2009 [3421] | We actually find it uplifting, because it means things aren't as bad as it may seem for Syllable |
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