World: r3wp

It has NOTHING to do with MT and your claims are simply false. If 
you are so brave, then go, and replace your bad MT with another Debian 
Box. I wonder, if it would make you more happy. MT is not bug-free, 
I never claimed anything like that. My MT suggestion was relatad 
exactly to the SIMPLICITY factor. You call it complex? Man - it is 
like you never used REBOL, right? MT brings simplicity to the wifi 
providing, that some other solutions are not even funny to suggest.


MT Linux abstraction is like a VID dialect upon Linux - yes, it can't 
do everything. But I can't come-up with anything it does not do for 
me for 99% of my usage cases. Yes, I noticed your OpenVPN problem, 
not supporting UDP, and yes, it sucks, but it does not mean that 
MT does not serve its purpose.

The complexity vs simplicity factor can be very easily checked. My 
brother, who would not be absolutly able to set-up linux router, 
has set-up 50 MT based router nodes. We are serving 600+ ppl, with 
problems here or there. We have 3rd iteration of our network, having 
our MT backbone rock-solid. Some P2P connections are going to be 
replaced with 10GHz ones, becaue we know where's 5GHz limit, and 
we try to use the right tools for particular needs.


But once again - I visited at least 5, maybe more courses, related 
to radios, frequencies, their correct usage, cables, antennas, with 
profi (lended from T-mobile) equipment, where we checked on the antennas 
and cables parameters, and I can tell you, that with wrong Antenna, 
pigtail, cable, with wrong installation, you can ruin your connection 
quality even down to 40%. No SW, being it MT, or Debian, or StarOS, 
can fix it.

So in the end - use what you are happy with. But don't try to put 
down publicly system, you have no deeper experience with, please, 
as apparently all WISP providers are happy with it (and not only 
them, some ppl go so far to replace Ciscos), and it might serve well 
to some other ppl, looking for simple yet sufficient solution for 
their usage case. By reading your comments, noone would probably 
ever considered Mikrotik, and that is all it is about - let's not 
create myths, where there are apparently no myths involved, and the 
system might work satisfactory to many ppl  ...

Petr, it's NOT my connection to this world that does not world. NOTHING 
works. STOP talking about things you have no idea about. This has 
been pure crap since JUNE.

Also, PLEASE, I beg you, do *read* what I write. I never said my 
problems are due to mikotik. I said my problems are due to my ISP 
not knowing what they are doing. You said that mikrotik allows "normal" 
people to set up a WISP. Right, they do, and the result is that they 
waste MY time *because* they know nothing about this job. This was 
*your* claim, and it seems to be consistent with what I am seeing.

The criticism I made to RouterOS was very targeted and very simple, 
and you of course completely ignored it. I said two things: 1) there 
is absolutely no reason they had to add the stupid shell they have 
when you connect via SSH 2) there is no reason why what they do could 
not have been implemented on top of debian, or any other distribution, 
thus allowing people who know what they are doing to provide extra 
services that are beyond what's in their default configuration. That 
is just a stupid choice. So, most people don't care or need, and 
for them MT may be a good choice. That does not make them a good 
alternative to a linux box, neither a good alternative to Janko's 
problem above, and from what you say they may be even making things 
worse.

Also, I don't see what's so magical with Cisco that if people are 
replacing it then it must mean something...

oh, my third criticism to MT, 3) there is no reason why they are 
offering a windows-only gui instead of a web-based one like everyone 
else in the world.

that said, their hardware looks nice and cheap.

Gabriele - let's make a peace in the above case. I am sorry if I 
offended you :-)

btw: MT offers web interface, but you can't set everything with it 
...

Maybe I should write Winbox in View :-)

I am not offended, I'm just sad that everytime I say something simple 
it gets interpreted as something big and complex that would hurt 
people...

Ouch, that would be bad :(

I am not offended, I'm just sad that everytime I say something simple 
it gets interpreted as something big and complex that would hurt 
people...

... :)

Yes everyone is growly and feeling unappreciated for their work ... 
the beta can't be too far off.

What would be the right place (diretory) to put rebol executable 
under linux debian?

Seems like /usr/bin

Can I create and use own icon for binary application on linux so 
it will be included when I distribute such an app as an archive?

hi, do you have a solution for the BROWSE problem on linux ?

a work around is to use CALL like this "call [firefox "http://www.rebol.com"]

but i don't like it !!!!!

up - i would like an another solution for BROWSE in linux - please 
;-)

Claude, I have a similar solution, I redefine browse in user.r
browse: funct [ url ] [ call reform [ "x-www-browser" url ]]
So you can do
browse http;//www.rebol.com

But docs, and bugs don´t work ( you can redefine them too If you 
want ), but I think you don't like this solution.

thanks for your redefine solution. perhaps carl could do something 
about this problem

ManuM; I have
browse: func [url] [call rejoin ["opera -backgroundtab " url]

and that seems to work great with bugs and docs.  Debian with A87 
... Although this version hangs the console until Opera exit if Opera 
isn't already running ...

Thank you Brian. 

Now seems tha "bugs" and "docs" are working with my own definition. 
I'm not sure when I saw they failling, may be an old version, I don't 
know.
I have the same issue wiht Opera hangs.

Hi, any idea how to get the Word Browser from Rebol -> Tools to work 
on Linux? I get an error after I click a category and then a word:
** User Error: Bad face in screen pane!
** Near: show main
This is using Rebol/View 2.7.6.4.2 on Arch Linux.

sounds like a font problem

Thanks for trying to help :) With font problem, do you mean something 
like a missing font? I got these installed: ttf-ms-fonts, ttf-dejavu, 
ttf-bitstream-vera, xorg-fonts-100dpi, xorg-fonts-75dpi, and xorg-fonts-misc. 
Any idea what kind of font would be missing for the Word Browser?

try:

	help font-
	view layout [text "test" font-fixed]
	view layout [text "test" font-sans-serif]
	view layout [text "test" font-serif]

Thanks, I tried it. No problems with any of those three, everything 
was displayed correctly and no errors in the console.

Try same, but with bold and underline (e.g.view layout [text "test" 
font-fixed bold underline])

No problems there either.

Tried italic too, just to make sure.

Probably not a font issue then. Works fine here on OSX so sounds 
like a Linux specific error. Does RebGUI work? (REBOL/Demos group)

Yeah works on OS X for me too, got that on my laptop. RebGUI seems 
to work fine, went through a few of the tabs, nothing crashed.

Let's see if anyone else on Linux has the same issue, otherwise a 
feedback is in order. Good find.

Yeah hopefully I can get this fixed somehow. I don't use the laptop 
that often and it would be nice to have the Word Browser for reference 
here on my desktop while learning REBOL, but the website is okay 
too. Thanks for your help though, much appreciated.

What do you call the "Word brother" ???

*Browser

ok, got it

browse !!! ?

This: http://www.rebol.com/view/tools/word-browser.r

Budzinski: No problem here with word-browser when I select a category 
and then a word. Works fine on Kubuntu 9.04 and Rebol/View 2.7.6.4.2.

Try to reload again the script with right button and then reload 
over the Word Browser Icon

ManuM, thanks for the tip. I tried it but it's still the same.

Normally it's a problem right at startup of View and it's fixed by 
installing the X11 fixed size bitmap fonts, but you seem to have 
those already. Are there any other bitmap fonts packages that you 
can install?

Kaj, here are all the available packages with "font" in the name: 
http://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&arch=i686&repo=&q=font&last_update=&limit=all

Anything that sounds like it could be the right one? And thanks for 
trying to help.

Hmm AltMe cut off the message, but the link still works, just click 
on it, don't copy and paste (it's displayed incorrectly). Does any 
package there sounds like it could be the one I need? And thanks 
for trying to help.

Yeah, View has no rich text, and AltME screws up the hotlink overlays