World: r3wp

enterprise versus joe sixpack is a big problem. I can understand 
the enterprise model to get into the Fortune 500 but then they have 
to have the joe model for the workers/users. For the Linix office 
worker, a browser/oo/few games/email/ is about all they need at work. 
At home add more games/Gimp/irc/torrent client/media apps and most 
will be happy. It's true those distros are out there but for joe 
sixpack, they are hard to find and most joes only know the big Linux 
names

To be honest, I'm kinda of pro/con with open source in the fortune 
500 server room.  If they kick back some of the savings into funding 
some developers....yeehah.  If they use OSS simply to increase the 
bottom line and only train their elites in it's use ... then boohiss. 
 It is the small, in their own basement  developers and the rare 
business tycoon that supports them that this issue teeters on.  Can 
freedom reach a critical mass, or are we doomed?  Today I'd bet on 
doomed, but will rail against it the whole way down.


And while I'm here, preaching to the choir, I'll cheerlead for those 
brave souls that will buck the trends at their own risk and expense. 
 Go Doc Go.   Give me an A, give me an l, a t, an M and and e.  Ashley, 
Sunanda and all the rest...GO REBOL.  All rebols and gnubies reading 
this, pat yourself on the back for the remarkable achievement of 
seeing the light through the glare.  And other stuff.

I think we found a REBOL evangelist!

disestablishmentarianism - it's the only way to go.  :)

btiffin -- Did you ever hear back from Leo Laporte regarding trying 
out REBOL?  I read about your question to him on the Lab a while 
back.

Nope.  No word.

no offense.. but Laporte doesn't seem to me to be the kind of guy 
who follow up on things like REBOL.

You're right.  It's not really in the realm of his target audience.

he has a big audience though

Yep. I like watching the show and try to lean people that run small 
businesses toward watching.

I read that Con Kolivas interview, and I don't want to sound repetitive, 
but the answer is right there in front of everybody. Or right here, 
in this case

I've been playing with Kubuntu on and off for a month or so. Sometimes, 
after updates to the system, something breaks.

I would like to know what is the best way of backing up and restoring 
the system.
I think the best way might be to copy partitions back and forth.
I have a few LiveCDs like the System Rescue CD.
What do you guys do ?

Backing up whole partitions can be good if you have the space

When you do a new installation, it's good to put your /home directory 
on a different partition. That way, you can backup just your data, 
or wipe the root partition and re-install the system withoug loosing 
your data and settings

Use Debian  :)  My Dev system has been auto-updating since Potato 
(2.2), I rarely use Unstable packages, but Dev lives in Testing and 
I've not had any problems.  Spike and Chester stay with Stable sources.list 
and I trust the Debian development model (not released on any time 
schedules, but only releasesd when the DD's have finished bashing 
each other around).  I hope they fight the urge to go with release 
dates, even Ian Murdoch is pushing for release shedules :(  but he's 
at Sun now, so I hope that pressure subsides.


To be more to the point.  I keep all my work (and user accounts) 
rsynced on three different machines, backed up to CD and USB memory 
stick on a semi-irregular basis.  I plan for system restore from 
the boot disks, the list from apt-show-versions and a documented 
list of manual steps for things like the Linksys, /etc/hosts, /etc/ssh/sshd_config 
et al and Cheyenne config if anything does eventually go sideways. 
 It might be a (much) longer restore cycle, but I trust that more 
than backup/restore mirroring.  I've avoided the VM model, but that 
seems to be getting some good press now-a-days.

kubuntu and updating without problems here, but, i've seen that happen 
in the past. i always managed to fix stuff though.

Ubuntu has been a big disappointment to me just because I thought 
I would finally be able to upgrade

My opinion, release dates are going to hurt them in the long run...great 
for getting new adopters...bad for long term guaranteed stability

Much like R3...I'd prefer disappointment in "missed" dates than any 
guaranteed release schedule.  Patience is a virtue...release code 
when it's ready. not before, and never under the urging of some project 
manager (the common case).

Well, we have had a lot of success with Syllable by releasing early 
and often

Managed expectations :)  You haven't stamped any "shrinked wrapped, 
use this to run your business" versions yet, have you?  I'd urge 
your team to lean toward the Debian model over the Ubuntu schedule 
model.  But test releases...yep as often as possible, but even then, 
not because a manager said "It goes out on Friday".

We're just discussing someone who wants to automate his company with 
Syllable :-)

We want people to be able to rely on us. That includes not just stability, 
but also schedules

Once again.  Schedules are a technical mistake in my opinion.  But 
reality is, this has to be balanced with predictable business planning 
and the more cerebral "keeping up interest by staying fresh".  My 
business is being built on what I feel is techincal merit, not full 
colour glossy.  peoplecards.ca is currently a three person business 
and the technical decisions are currently mine without management 
influence.  That may change as the business grows, but I'll rail 
against it if schedules begin to outweigh technical soak times and 
truthful developer confidence in their products.  One of the beauties 
of GNU/Linux, there is usually an option that is not schedule or 
market driven.

Well, that and the fact I'm a stubborn REBOL solution first kind 
of techie  :)

We rely on incremental development. It's not hard to release early 
and often that way, which is essential to get people's attention 
and contributions. And actually, it's also essential to keep the 
system stable

I think there was a time, long ago, that I tended to think in terms 
of bing bang releases, but that time is forever gone

Sounds like you've got things well in hand.  One of the things that 
Debian and Ubuntu, at some 18,000 plus packages may have a tougher 
time with.  I prefer the Debian wait, over the 6 month deadline of 
Unbuntu still.

Big bang, that is

Ubuntu that is.

:-)

Same with the kernel.  I'm in no rush for the next big thing in the 
Linux kernel, but never ever want to get in the head space of being 
one the beta testers of an even numbered release.  But if plop an 
odd number on Dev, well that will be me managing my own expectations.

anyone could help me to make MAGIC works with Apache2 on Debian?

Sorry, Carlos...I'm a Debian user, but I serve the web using Cheyenne. 
 I'm not sure what you need exactly, but I would have started here 
 http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_mime_magic.htmlSo one 
you have the mod_ file in the right place, it seems you need to configure 
with

MimeMagicFile conf/magic


to use the default list of magic numbers.  If you need more drop 
another note.

Carlos: Do you mean Magic! - Olivier Auverlot's Rebol in a Webpage 
framework?

Yes a mean Olivier´s Magic!. I have set all according to the docs 
but yet Apache cannot finf my .rhtml page

this is the message I get: Not Found


The requested URL /cgi-script/magic.cgi/index.rhtml was not found 
on this server.

Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/4.4.4-8+etch3 Server at 192.168.1.100 Port 
80

I have put my index.rhtml at the same directory of the others html 
pages i.e. /var/www

I can run Magic! under Apache 1.5 on my machine; I don't have Apache 
2 installed.


I have magic.cgi installed in the cgi-bin directory (equivalent of 
your cgi-script) and access the .rhtml pages from another directory. 
This is my setup:

In the httpd.conf file:

AddHandler magic .rhtml          
    Action magic /cgi-bin/magic.cgi

in the URL/cgi-bin folder 
 magci.cgi

in the URL/magic folder
 test.rhtml

page accessed via http://URL/Magic/test.rhtml

Hope this helps

Peter, it really helped me. I´ve found my mistake on the httpd.conf 
file. Now it works. Thank you!

I have a sendmail question: I have some users with crowded mailboxes, 
as the marked such mails as keep-on-the-server. And I now want to 
get rid of them. How can I empty a users mailbox?

connect via rebol and "clear" them, but you would have to know their 
passwords  of course ...

if in console, I would do the same using some console tool. Or simply 
delete mailbox and create empty file of particular name and attributes. 
But I never tried it :-)

Seems like I can use the MAIL command on the server...

Hmm... not working that good.

hwo to invoke it? I use: MAIL -I -f mbox-filename

Ok, I can use: >mail-box-filename to get rid of it... but this will 
kill all mails.

Now, using MUTT it works very well.

I can't send mail from rebol via Ubuntu. I've configured it correctly, 
and it sends and says that everything is ok, but nothing happens 
on the receiver end. Ideas?

did you take a look at the log files? /var/log/messages