World: r3wp

if porting of R3 is possible and works out in the end... would you 
consider dropping ORCA just for the fact that you would have access 
to much more applications from day one?  and since you can adapt 
and extend it from the inside (per the info so far), you could still 
add your own custom native flavor to it...

We would include both. Our strategy for survival is to be open source, 
so we can't make the system dependent on closed parts. But, at least 
in our project, we can put closed stuff on top of it

So we use ORCA in the base system to increase the level of REBOL, 
and we could run REBOL 3 applications on top

You see that it's important to us that ORCA is REBOL compatible, 
so the two layers can communicate

i see

do you have an image of this biuld  to use with VMPlayer yet ?

Yes, from now on we're building the VMWare image ourselves. It's 
among the download files

It can also be used in many other emulators

thanks

Syllable is OK, Petr

In a week we have a small conference, our second, in the Netherlands. 
We will make an important announcement there

We have several things coming up, including a new release

important announcement? Interesting! Are you becoming AmigaOS 5? 
:-)

is there a chance REBOL will remain for scripting? I mean - with 
R3 model, there is now certain possibility to use R3 open source 
parts in syllable, and then, theoretically, cloning rebol itself 
should be an easier task? Is Syllable strictly open source? Or could 
it live with closed source R3 rebol.dll?

Yes :-)

I'll not spoil the conference by specifying what I said yes to :-)

But as I've already said here before, we're already using ORCA for 
some scripting. Because the base system has to stay open source

:-)

I hope Yes went to REBOL. Hands off of Amiga Inc. :-)

:-)

btw - is Syllable any close to AmigaOS? What most users value about 
AmigaOS was - it was very responsive, dynamic, could be scripted 
to hell.....

Yes, it is that, although extensive scripting will come in a later 
phase, as with AmigaOS

.... eh, it does not translate itself as well ... scripted to death, 
till death ... but it does not translate well too probably :-)

drivers are part of kernel space, or user space?

btw - how does Syllable team motivate itself in today's IT world? 
We have some Linux distros, catching to user requirements, e.g. Ubuntu. 
Do you do Syllable mostly for fun, or do you really find some place 
for its existance in today's crowded OS world?

Both. Mostly the BeOS model of having userspace servers for as much 
as possible. But our network stack and drivers are in kernel space, 
for example, which makes it more efficient than BeOS

Carl will be happy to hear that this makes our select() implementation 
more elegant than in BeOS :-)

Syllable is something special. It has tremendous added value over 
systems such as Linux

It's just not ready for production yet

so what is that added value?

The OS scene seems to be crowded, but they're basically all the same 
systems

Added value? Depends on who you're explaining to. Here, I would say, 
having the Amiga spirit

is there live CD to try?

Sure, for two years now, I think

http://syllable.org

don't you "fear" BeOS clones? hmm, actually I wonder, if work on 
those continues or not. The most vital (or the only one?) seems to 
be Haiku?

I will try it over weekend :-)

Yes, they're most like us. But they started many years after us, 
actually looked at our code to see how it's done, and are still years 
behind...

Excellent. Have fun!

thanks ... so you think Haiku is nowhere close to release?

Are those philosophies so different, that you can't e.g. merge?

We're nowhere near 1.0, so Haiku certainly isn't. Despite their having 
said otherwise as early as several years ago

will your announcement be published on your site after the conference? 
:-)

There are tow big differences. They're recreating BeOS R5, so they're 
working on the past, while we have always designed the best system 
for the future. The other is that we're GPL/LGPL. They chose to recreate 
their own code because they chose the MIT license

So, they can't use our code, while we can use theirs when it fits 
:-)

Yes, we will announce on our site and here, after the conference 
in a week and a half

So, Syllable is a desktop OS ?

Any databases on it ?

Graham - yes, I think it is a desktop ...

( it's in the title of this channel ! )