World: r3wp

It appears from Syllable's forums that Kaj and crew are thinking 
of extending Orca with hooks into Syllable's internals (correct me 
if I'm wrong). Orca may end up being a better choice for them, particularly 
if it becomes compatible enough to run REBOL services.

what about View? From what I understood - are they for native wdiget 
bindings? Correct me if I understood it wrongly ....

I'm not really the one to ask. All I know about Syllable I've heard 
from here, OSNews and from skimming a little of their forums. I'm 
a little more familiar with Orca, but I haven't really looked too 
closely at it in case I want to clone REBOL myself.

:-) interesting, and probably not correct group here ... you have 
different ideas than Orca? Now as R# is showing non-activity for 
way too long time, Orca is the only clone which showed some promise 
...

Yeah, my approach is different. My time and energy is limited though. 
We'll see if I can budget the time to work on it.

In the meanwhile, the thought I've put into it has informed my criticism 
of and ideas for REBOL 3.

Brian - please, cooperat with RT on rebcode - my feeling is, that 
it is not finished yet, from security pov mainly ... it would be 
good to have rebcode inside anyway .... I hope Carl does not decide 
to discard it as an experiment only :-)

I get the impression that he still considers rebcode to be important.

who knows, maybe one day, Carl will keep "just" a language kernel, 
language will be extensible via plug-ins, etc., so maybe it will 
be much easier to actually get it working anywhere ...

we are probably becoming OT here .... maybe move to chat or REBOL3?

cool

Yep, this belongs in the Orca group, or rather on the Orca web site 
if you want to contact the author. I'm not developing Orca, Syllable 
is simply integrating it. Of course that means we influence it a 
little, but that's it

Since we do develop Syllable, we don't have to defend the Orca decision. 
It's done. :-) I introduced the idea to the Syllable community, ported 
R# and Orca, and ultimately convinced my project leader. That's all 
that's needed

And yes, we fully intend to port REBOL 3 to Syllable. Orca allows 
us to use it in the open-source base system

my question was more of a license problem category ... simply put, 
if you can bundle e.g. closed source app with your system?

I mean - binary one .... e.g. nVidia drivers, etc., or Rebol3 :-)

Eventually I would like to have a port of /View 3 and an Orca dialect 
for our native widgets

We can bundle closed-source apps, just like Linux and others can. 
We already do, with some games and demos that were released by their 
authors without source

However, we will never include non-free stuff as essential parts 
of the system. That would endanger our survival

that is understandable ....

what are general reactions to new Syllable releases? Is there increased 
interest? Has any company e.g. showed their interest?

I mean - in the area of embedded systems for e.g. I can see Syllable 
as AmigaOS for x86 .... maybe AROS guys could join you :-)

Anyone still an Amiga user now will not be persuaded... :-)

Although we do currently have 11 of them in our poll - just as many 
as declare themselves fulltime Syllable users :-)

Interest has definitely been picking up, especially over the last 
year, but it's a slow process

The interesting thing is that we have these rings around the inner 
circles that each are an order of magnitude bigger than the adjacent 
one

In the coming years, each time we improve the functionality enough 
to make the system usable for the next ring, the number of users 
will increase by an order of magnitude

I am not sure I understand the ring concept, but never mind :-)

what system is your closest competition? AROS? Any of BeOS resurrection 
projects? SkyOS?

5 Core developers, maybe 50 that have contributed at some time, 500 
on the mailing list, more than 1000 on the forum, 5000 who download 
each install CD, more than 10,000 who download each live CD and emulator 
image, tens of thousands who come visit when we're on OSNews, roughly 
an order of magnitude more when we're on Slashdot

Haiku, I would say

12 rings for humans, 9 for dwarfs, 5 for the elves and 1 for the 
project master   ;-)

Something like that :-)

9 for mortal men doomed to die, 7 for the Dwarf lords in their halls 
of stone, 3 for the Elves.... and 1 to rule them all,.. in the land 
of Mordor, where the shadows lie...

Interestingly, more than a percent of the hits on our own web site 
are from our native Syllable web browser

is Sassenranch a Mordor land then? :-)

Myyyy preciousssss!

People are starting to seriously use it, although we had expected 
this only to start happening with this 0.6.1 release

:-)

http://www.moka5.com/livepc.. syllable as a livepc

Cool, thanks for the find

Yesterday we released Syllable 0.6.2. The full announcement is here:

http://www.syllable.org/story.php?id=246

It has taken us half a year this time. Almost all parts of the system 
have been overhauled, but this includes my build system. The system 
build is now finally fully automated, and we are confident that we 
can use this to get back to one release every two or three months

This release also marks the first time that Orca is actually used 
in the system, after already being included in the previous release. 
I rewrote pkgmanager in it, a tool used to register and unregister 
binary packages by managing a pool of symbolic links

Other highlights of this release are:

- A new audio subsystem, partly moved from the kernel to user space, 
including support for multichannel and digital audio. Video is also 
improved, with support for many more video formats

- A new scheduler, which makes things like audio and video much more 
usable. You can now keep using the system for other tasks while playing 
multimedia. In fact, we can now easily replicate the famous BeOS 
demo with six videos running at the same time

- We fixed enough bugs in SMP and threading that the system is usable 
again on at least a number of SMP, Hyper Threading and multi-core 
machines

Quite a few new drivers, for NTFS, USB keyboards, audio and several 
gigabit ethernet adapters